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What does that mean?
The point of the post is not that Bilema (sp?) is a ridiculous candidate. The point is that multiple news outlets reported the “story” without any factual support whatsoever.
The Bob Stoops rumors are substantiated as ND has talked with him and, presumably, is still talking to him.
Perhaps I am missing your point, feel free to explain.
Its ridiculous that though Stoops keeps denying...
Stuff keeps leaking towards the contrary. I have no idea what to think or believe anymore.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 5, 2009 1:10 PM EST up reply actions
Has he?
The thing is, Stoops hasn’t outright said he is not going to ND. He has been very wishy washy. Either way, you have to take everything a coach says with a giant grain of salt.
My point
Is that Bob Stoops was not leaving his well-appointed Oklahoma barony for anything short of a literal Brinks truck filled with gold or an act of Congress and if you believed otherwise you were fooling yourself. Hence, if you were willing to believe Bob Stoops was coming to South Bend, it’s no great stretch to believe the same thing about Leach.
by Tracer Bullet on Dec 5, 2009 9:57 PM EST up reply actions
How the fuck do you know?
What is your basis for this statement? What makes you think his decision had anything to do with money?
1) Why would he want to leave?
2) Why would Oklahoma let him go?
But, hey, clearly you’re quite emotionally involved in believing this, so don’t let me shatter your happy little world.
by Tracer Bullet on Dec 5, 2009 10:46 PM EST up reply actions
How the fuck do you know?
What is your deal? Why do you keep making these asinine and baseless statements?
1) I don’t know
2) I don’t care
How do you know he wouldn’t leave?
Why do you think I am emotionally involved?
Possibly because you seem angry beyond all reason
About a situation neither of us has the power to affect. Fine, Bob Stoops wears leprechaun jammies. He’s still ANNOUNCED that he’s staying at Oklahoma.
by Tracer Bullet on Dec 5, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions
I’m not really angry, just amazed how dumb you are. You pretend to have insight into someone’s thoughts when you have no idea, you just stated as much. Yea he ANNOUNCED that he is staying at Oklahoma, but it took him more than 3 tries and nearly a week to say as much.
you know its possible to disagree with someone
with out name calling. You invalidate your arguments and come off petty.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 11:50 AM EST up reply actions
These are not differences of opinions. This is someone lying. It is dumb to lie. That is a fact. It is not name calling. I am not making an argument here. I am calling a person out for lying. Perhaps you should read more.
His statements weren't that ridiculous...
Why would he leave OU?
Why would he come to ND?
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
Those weren't his original statements
I didn’t say that he asked ridiculous questions. I said he lied. And he did:
“Bob Stoops was not leaving his well-appointed Oklahoma barony for anything short of a literal Brinks truck filled with gold or an act of Congress and if you believed otherwise you were fooling yourself.”
Unless he knows Bob Stoops personally, then that is a lie. Then, in an effort to make me look silly he asked me questions I would have no way of knowing the answers to. I admitted I did not know the answers to those questions and neither did he.
Tracer Bullet lied. I called him on it. He back tracked and started asking me questions. Now, you are doing a poor job of defending. Note that poor is not calling you a name. It is the result of evaluating your argument. Your argument fails, thus you have done a poor job of defending him.
and now you are back on the attack
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
What is the difference between attacking and debating. You seem to enjoy debate but not attacks. Do share your expertise…
One of the first rules of Rhetoric
Is to attack the merits of the argument and not to attack the one making the points. By calling people dumb you are actually weakening your argument. You never see a lawyer call someone dumb, because in the purpose of debate the intelligence of the one making the argument doesn’t matter.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
So what you are telling me is that because I said it was dumb to lie that he was not lying?
Maybe you do not think lying is dumb, but you would be in the minority, I hope.
Its not lying to say that Stoops wasn't leaving OU....
Especially since he said that he wasn’t leaving several times.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 3:48 PM EST up reply actions
Sure it is
It is lying to state what it would take for Bob Stoops to leave OK. The poster has no idea, no way of knowing. Therefore it is a complete guess or a lie. You might argue that the chances were small, nevertheless it is still lying. It is blatantly making up “facts”. Until Friday, his comments were indefinite. And, if even you were to take Stoops at his word from the onset, the poster would still be lying because he speculated as to what it would require for Stoops to leave. It is lying any way you look at it.
B. Kelly's politics
Okay, this is legit…I read on collegefootballnews.com that one strike against Brian Kelly to ND could be his pro-choice stance on abortion. The article said there was enough concern by the alumni/fan base that, while it would be illegal to not hire him based on his political views, it was something the administration would be considering behind closed doors.
Quote: “It was assumed the Cincinnati head man Brian Kelly was a front-runner, if not the main man for the job, but there might be a problem. Remember, there were major debates and several issues from pro-life protestors when Barack Obama, you know, the President of the United States, gave a Commencement address in May. Kelly, who famously worked on Gary Hart’s 1984 presidential campaign, is allegedly pro-choice, and while this shouldn’t matter when it comes to coaching a football team, and legally, Notre Dame can’t exclude him from the job because of his views on the subject, it’s enough of an item to at least be out there. And now, whether this is a real problem or not, enough of the Irish fan base has been talking about it to make it part of the equation.”
I am curious, since that’s the first I’ve heard of this, if this is truly a concern of the ND fans and alumni.
In the end, I don't think it is a deciding factor
However, there was a huge uproar when Obama spoke at graduation. There were protesters everywhere. Some were arrested, and some of them still talk about it months later. I don’t think most ND football fans give two shits about what the guys political views are, but many of the more conservative alums do. I know that ND is unlikely to hire a Jew or Mormon coach. The administration does try to properly represent the Catholic identity of the university, for better or for worse.
Most of the protesters weren't students
they were people like Randall Terry, professional anti-abortion protesters who came in from all over. The students who went to the alternate grad event and even who went to graduation but had pro-life symbols on their caps were a tiny minority. Vocal, but tiny.
I didnt say they were students
There were a number of a alums there. He asked if it was a concern among alumni and fans. I said no with some explanation. Thank though.
I have a friend who used to work at ND...
Was just a Zamboni driver, but said it was ridiculous and quite heated.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 5, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions
And my point was that the theatrics were caused by
the professional protesters, and that was a lot of what was covered by the media. It made the uproar seem worse than it really was. Plenty of people cared but didn’t make a huge deal protesting. I know my handle says “longhorn” but I am a grad student at ND and I was here during all of that. I just wanted to throw in my two cents because people seem to think the protests, especially on the part of the ND community, were a lot worse than they really were. That was all I was saying. I agree that it’s not a concern. No need to get snippy.
They are a private institution...
I think they can actually hire on whatever grounds they want, especially since they are a private institution with Church Funding.
Now having said that, and being the product of 12 years of Catholic schooling I could care less if the football coach is Pro-Choice. And while Im on the topic I think its absolutely ridiculous that with all the stuff on a Presidents plate that a group of people would select their president on one issue alone.
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by averagegatsby on Dec 5, 2009 1:13 PM EST up reply actions
I've heard that people in Cincinnati are behind it
They love Kelly so much and want him to stay so desperately that they are spreading rumors about how pro-choice he is. I listen to Cincy talk radio and it’s ridiculous how much people there love him – there have been all these campaigns on the station for the last week trying to convince BK to stay in Cincy, people talking about how they would each pitch in a little to show him how loved he is (“Yeah, I’m a mechanic and I’d be willing to detail his car on a weekly basis.” “Hey we could give him a few minutes free on the air every week to talk about whatever he wants!”) And I just saw the Cincy fans at the Pitt game have red towels that say “Cincy Committed to Kelly”. I wouldn’t put it past these people. And Cincinnati has a very large and active ND alumni community who would be ripe for starting rumors among.
Politics Aside
I am sure every coach has a clause in their contract that would prevent them from engaging in political activities that the school believes would put it in a bad light. As long as he wouldn’t use his position to advance a pro-abortion agenda I do not think it is an issue.
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