Notre Dame's new Head Coach?
Don't cry for Weis, South Bend.
Although Weis won't have many, if any, head coaching opportunities, he'll have a few NFL offensive coordinator opportunities. The Cleveland Browns is a good fit, for example.
Now, what about the next coach for Notre Dame? Some of the wish-list coaches have already declined (Meyer and Stoops).
Barring securing a wish-list coach, Notre Dame will be served best by a coach 1) hailing from a non-BCS program, particularly one that has had to overcome limited recruiting options, poor conference prestige, and lack of resources (facilities and/or financial), 2) who has excelled despite said challenges, and 3) who delivers a balanced offensive attack with a very strong defense (defense wins championships).
Using this framework, here is a good example:
Texas Christian University (TCU)'s Gary Patterson | 1998-present; Fort Worth, TX
- 2009: 12-0; Outscored opponents 49-15 on average per game
- Arrived after 1997 season when TCU was 1-10
- Defense (6th in nation)
- Offense (4th in nation; balanced run/pass attack)
- Recruiting (has to compete with regional powerhouses Texas, Oklahoma and most big schools in SEC and Southwest US. Interpretation: Patterson wins despite getting athletes that were not recruited by aforementioned schools).
Now, let's extend this framework further, to other college divisions.
After all, one does not find diamonds-in-the-rough by staying on the well-worn path. The Ohio State University didn't attempt to find its wish-list coach by pursuing successful coaches at Division I schools; those were its backups. OSU evaluated several Division II and Division III coaches, and wooed Jim Tressel, who was head coach at Division II Youngstown State University (Ohio).
Notre Dame will wake up the echoes by seeking diamonds-in-the-rough. Moreover, the state of Ohio has been an unparalleled hot-bed of coaching talent, particularly within the lower division colleges, and, yes, high schools (Ara Parseghian, Lou Holtz, Bob Stoops, Urban Meyer, John Harbaugh, Les Miles, Bo Pelini and Jim Tressel were all diamonds-in-the-Ohio-rough, just to name a few).
So, the key is identifying the statistical anomaly indicating coaching genius that transcends divisions. It's picking the proverbial government file clerk to be one's lead physicist, before everyone and his brother want said physicist at their university.
Here is an example:
Mount Union College's Larry Kehres | 1986-present; Alliance, Ohio
- 2009 (will compete for national championship, again) 12-0. Outscored opponents 50-8 on average per game
- Coached 23 seasons: 275-21-3, .929
- Since 1993, won 10 Division III national championships
- 1994-2005, won 110 consecutive regular season games
- Prior to Kehres taking over head coaching position, Mt. Union was a historically average (.500) team
My guess is Notre Dame will pursue a "safe" choice, like a Davie, Weis or Willingham. I hope that is not the case, Dear Loyal Irish Fans.
I hope athletic director Jack Swarbrick can awaken the echoes of his Notre Dame undergraduate degree and channel the entrepreneurial decision-making of his Stanford University Law School degree to identify and woo a proven leader and winner, a Diamond-in-the-Rough.
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Kelly should fit your definition perfectly right?
Cincinnati is historically a losing program, has to compete with Ohio State, Notre Dame, Michigan, etc. Kelly has a really strong defense even after losing so many starters, and his development of QB’s is phenomenal.
My first choice would have been Stoops, but Kelly is a very good choice as well.
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by Taskmaster on Dec 1, 2009 11:29 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
The guy has lost to every team ranked inside the Top 20 he has ever played.
Not won one of those games yet. That is a major red flag to me. He could be Dan Hawkins redux.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 1, 2009 8:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All but 1 now
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Dec 5, 2009 4:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He'll get to play another 1 too
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by Taskmaster on Dec 6, 2009 1:37 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And he almost blew it, except or a missed XP
he might have. Risky dude.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 6, 2009 10:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh for christ sake...
If given the opportunity his team this year is capable of beating most of the top 20. Why must you continue to bash the guy instead of acknowledge he has done great things at a mid major.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 11:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has done great things at a mid-major
and he will continue to do great things there. But this is Notre Dame. A major step up in class. Can you not accept the reality of his record? Because, frankly, I bet you’re the type of guy that if he gets hired and does what the last three coaches have done at ND and not win big games or games he’s favored, you’ll be the first one asking how this happened and why we hired him because he never has beaten anyone, blah, blah, blah. Okay smarty pants?
He has a poor track record of winning games against better teams, of beating Top 20 teams. Hell, few coaches do. Urban Meyer is 5-1 against top 5 teams. That is a track record. I’m just laying it out there that hiring Brian Kelly is high risk…which may or may not lead to high reward. I would think that ND can and should be able to get someone who has a record of actually beating teams in which they are equal or inferior to…don’t you?
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 6, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Or do you just want
someone who is an Irish Catholic and sounds like a good fit? Hiring a coach is an art, but that doesn’t mean you throw science out the window entirely. The man has a track record and it deserves some analysis.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 6, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You know nothing about me...
The only coach that ND has hired in the past that I wasn’t behind was Davie. I was okay with the Willingham, obviously I as wrong. LOVED the Weis hire and was wrong. Im not really concered with how Kelly has done against top 20 schools at a historically shitty football school. Im sure Holtz had a mediocre record before he took over ND. His winning percentage was only 64% before he got there.
So you can continually harp on a winning percentage against top 20 teams (which you have clearly made your point) or you can see that he has done a hell of a job building a conference winner after taking the school from nothing.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We disagree
and that happens on blogs. Holtz had rebuilt a number of programs from scratch and thus his record showed those transition year records. But, and this is critical, prior to coming to ND Holtz had a number of big upsets under his belt. Most notably, he took an Arkansas team into the 1977 Orange Bowl against a top ranked Oklahoma Sooner squad with Billy Sims, after Holtz suspended his top three players, and beat the hell out of them. In an Orange Bowl. If OU would have won that game they would have won the National Championship.
Kelly has nothing like that on his resume. Nothing even close. Meanwhile, there are oaches out there that have proven they can take a team and get them to overperform. Just sayin…
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 6, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he also hasn't been doing it as long...
as Holtz did before Holtz took the ND job.
Fact is, if they would have hired Holtz before Arkansas did then ND would have been killed for taking a no name coach when in fact they would have just been ahead of the curve. If this year is the beginning of Kelly’s run to greatness then its better to get him now than in 4 years when he has much more demand. Fact of the matter is ND needs a coach now, Kelly has proven to be a successful coach. Why not see what he can do at an “elite” school. He is as qualified as any coach who is being throw around… Especially since most of the “better” coaches aren’t coming.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually, Kelly has been head coach for 20 years
Kelly has been at D-1 for seven years. He is far from a spring chicken in terms of having time to accumulate a record. The notion that he just burst on to the scene is kind of ridiculous. He is not as accomplished as these guys in terms of winning games against Top 20 foes:
- Mike Leach
- Kyle Wittingham
- Jim Grobe
- Skip Holtz
- Kevin Sumlin
- Pat Fitzgerald
I could go on and on. The fact his…he had two good years becasue he had a good schedule. But, like I have said repeatedly…he is a high risk candidate who might get ND high reward. His record shows WE JUST DON’T KNOW.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 6, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That maybe the case...
I dont think Skip Holtz would be a great hire. The comparrisons to his father and all such things would be ridiculous.
And some of the other guys on that list are reaches… Jim Grobe really?
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is the weakest of the bunch
but most football people think he is a miracle worker. WF has no resources for football and he wins, and beats better teams often.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 6, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree most of those guys would be worthy hires...
but I disagree that they are all better than Kelly. Honestly I think you need a balance of winning percentage and big game experience. But lets not forget that coaching at ND is going to be very stressful, and Im not sure how many of those guys from smaller football programs would really be wired to do so.
Now I must admit that I know little about any of these guys intangibles. I do know that Brian Kelly used to have a defensive background and that ND is shooting for a guy with a Defensive background. I also do not know anything about these guys temperament. But being Catholic would go a long way with ND, you can’t deny that.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 6:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My opinion
your not hiring kelly or any of those guys…i got a feeling you are making a run at meyer right now. He’ll say no then it is on to harbaugh. he’ll probably say no. then you might go with a pro guy who has coached college.
kelly is not well regarded in some circles. not liked. i’ll look fo the links.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 6, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really have my fingers crossed for Butch Davis...
Coached at a very high profile school, and Coker took that team (which was the most loaded team ever) and won a national Title… And nearly a second one.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 6, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No Butch Davis recruit would EVER be admitted to Notre Dame
you do NOT want that sleeze ball. SI wrote a piece on him right when he went to Cleveland. go read it and then ask your self if you still want him.
Also, go visit a UNC blog…they are hoping he leaves. His loss to Florida State really left the fanbase dismayed.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 7, 2009 9:05 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
I have not heard these things. Why would UNC want him to leave, they aren’t going to do any better as far as a coach goes. Its not like their football program has the pull the basketball program… If they do maybe they can follow suit of their basketball team and hire Mangino.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 7, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don't feed the troll
When are you going to learn that clown is a troll here to bag on ND, that’s all.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 7, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh...
He’s also capable of having a football conversation without belittling. Ive had quite a pleasurable back and forth with him without feeling the need to hate. Its amazing what can happen when you have a conversation like an adult.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 7, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Harbaugh may be your man
he’s a catch. Much more so, I think, than Kelly. Kelly is reliable and potentially better than just reliable. Harbaugh is more like a deep pass to Tate. Harbaugh will lose a game that makes you mad because you’ll think you should have won it. But, he is MUCH more likely to win games that you shouldn’t have any business winning.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 7, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I mentioned Harbaugh a month ago
http://www.rakesofmallow.com/2009/11/8/1121343/notre-dame-bumbles-and-stumbles#24152058
I like the guy, like his fire, like his record against USC, though if Harbaugh is the guy next year, not sure I am looking forward to the wrath of Pete next year for running it up on him.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 7, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Pete's got his own problems
Harbaugh’s strength is he can give a shit about Pete. His signature is he isn’t afriad. While most people are trying to avoid losing, he knows it is part of the process and it happens. Most coaches are obsessed with it. But to win big game in big situations you have to be focused on winning and be unafriad to do what you need to win. But most importantly, his philosophy is pure Notre Dame. Run, power, hard nosed defense, TOP, good QB play…that philosphy works in the wind, on warm days, cold days, etc.
I think if people around there can roll with Harbaugh’s idiosyncrasies, you’ll love him. He may not seem like a good fit at first blush, but he would be a nice pull. In fact, I think he is all that is really out there. But, he does say and do some eccentric things. Like that 2 point conversaion against USC. It is the only one attemtped by anyone with that point deficit in years that wasn’t a botched FG (I read that on a smart website but can’t recall it now). Stanford is very Cali, not uptight, so his schtick plays well there. I would bet JS is gauging that part of it.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 7, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think he is holding out for a Michigan job...
When more than likely it will be open next year. Rich Rod pretty much has to win the Big 11 to keep his job, or at least make a hell of a run at it.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 7, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I thought it was incredibly likely
that Rich would get fired this offseason. That fanbase absolutely hates the guy. The Ohio State Michigan game was mainly Ohio State fans, AT Michigan….Says enough right there.
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-ChronicHoosier
by Taskmaster on Dec 8, 2009 11:09 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Harbaugh levelled some big verbal blasts at UM
not so long ago. He may be persona non grata there now. Another bad year under Rodriguez could change that though.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 8, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually all indicators are that Harbaugh is afraid
afraid he will not get the job. He has been playing it too coy and maybe he blew his shot at the ND job because of it. The sudden increase in his interest for the job the last few days indicates he is indeed afraid.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 8, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN insider said that...
A meeting was scheduled but when he “found out” that Kelly was the top choice he cancelled.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Intelligent conversations can be had
when both parties actually care about the topic, which does not apply to a troll.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 8, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well "if" that were the case..
I can always approach the topic with class and lead by example.
The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 8, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
the problem with that theory
is that trolls don’t care
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 9, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
r u still here?
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Dec 9, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Were you ever really here?
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 10, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I don't want a guy who has never beat a top 20
Sounds like Weis to me.
by njd.aitken on Dec 2, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Patterson gets an extension from TCU
Just came across on ESPN.
by leonphelps on Dec 1, 2009 12:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am so happy at hearing this
He is a tremendous, tremendous coach.
I just don’t think that is the right choice.
by njd.aitken on Dec 2, 2009 12:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Domers
NYT says Harbaugh is interviewing for the gig. What say you?
Respectfully,
Rabbit
by RabbitSC on Dec 7, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Glad to hear it
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 7, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
YES!!!

The Original member of the Ndamukong Suh bandwagon
by averagegatsby on Dec 7, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The local media is abuzz about Harbaugh talking to ND
The rumor that Harbaugh was set to sign an extension a few weeks ago before the Big game never came to pass, clearly because Harbaugh wanted to see what ND had to offer.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Dec 8, 2009 5:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
well...i just heard a clip on the radio from
hairball at the Packer’s game. He said “I’ll be coach at Stanford next year, God willing.”
Go Bears Go
by Rocksanddirt on Dec 8, 2009 7:00 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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