Notre Dame at Pitt Kickoff Set for 8pm
There is a great chance for Gameday to come unless Syracuse or Navy pulls the upset this weekend. Bring your green hat.
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This is make or break time. I can't wait.
Fanaticism is not logical
by SunDolphin on Nov 2, 2009 9:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
i'm curious, is jimmy clausen coming back to n.d or is he leaning towards the
nfl. mel kiper has him pretty high up on his chart?
by wolfmanshowlforever on Nov 2, 2009 10:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Must win?
Is this a must win game? I don’t think it is, but I think it is pretty important to win. I think 9-3 is what most people expected this season. Damn this team could use a big win. I think that is the last I will talk about Pitt though until we take care of business this week.
by djta on Nov 2, 2009 10:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd consider it a must win. It doesn't matter if we were pegged at 9-3 at the start of the season
With the threat of Jimmy and Golden leaving for the NFL my expectations are a win.
by njd.aitken on Nov 3, 2009 2:48 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
To me, every game is a must win. I'm that hard of a fan.
But relatively speaking, I think the Navy game is far bigger than the Pitt game. Navy is a must win. It’s the rivalry.
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by SunDolphin on Nov 4, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Injuries
It is great that Floyd is back. I hope they ease him in nice and easy against Navy, which shouldn’t be too tough.
Crist is a huge loss. If Jimmy goes pro, coupled with the loss of our linemen, I think we are in some big trouble for next season. Let’s hope for a quick recovery.
What happens with Trevor Robinson being out this week? I am guessing that Wenger will replace him. That is not great. Wenger has looked terrible every time he has been in this year. I hope somebody else steps up in practice this week and earns some playing time. It would be a good sign for 2010, where I envision Trevor sliding over to tackle and someone to step up at guard.
by djta on Nov 3, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Claussen will go pro
Rarely does an ND player go to the draft before his senior season. That running back we had a few years ago did it, and he paid for it. I don’t think he’s in the league anymore, and though he was great for us when he played, I can’t remember his name off the top of my head.
If Jimmy does go, that’s another blow to Weis as a coach. If you go to Notre Dame, you go for 4 years. This isn’t just some random school you use to jump to the NFL. You go to Notre Dame because IT IS NOTRE DAME.
Darius Walker. Whatever happened to that guy? Screw him.
Fanaticism is not logical
by SunDolphin on Nov 4, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
I don’t know why a professional athlete would waste a year because a school was NOTRE DAME. That seems a little self righteous. And I don’t know why graduating early to go to the pros would be using some random school to jump to the NFL. He will be graduating, most likely, if he leaves early.
Screw Darius Walker for leaving early? I don’t get it.
P.S. I didn’t realize you were so hard. I don’t even know what a hard fan is.
by djta on Nov 4, 2009 4:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Go to the Dolphins blog and read their comments
They take the team very seriously and want to win and blow everyone out in the process. That’s how I am. They settle for very little but can appreciate a close win once in a while. Losing pisses them off. That’s how I am.
Darius Walker left us when we needed him. He could have really helped us, but instead, he saw Quinn and Samarzija leaving, and bailed before he had to. He could have helped lead this team and could have made a substantial difference. Screw Him.
College football is often simply an arena to showcase one’s skills. It’s no end if you expect to make the pros, and often a player with potential will pick the school that will best show the NFL what he can do. If that’s the only reason a kid goes to college then of course they’re going to leave college for the pros as soon as they think their draft stock is good. But players who go to college for the epxerience and for the college itself (the school’s history and to help those around them win) don’t often leave early unless it’s clear they have nothing left to prove, no one else to help. I.e. They wont a national championship. Claussen has a great shot next year to win a big game, and I don’t see him leaving school for money with so much left undone.
And you don’t understand why a college player would waste a year at ND? Get out.
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by SunDolphin on Nov 4, 2009 5:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Nice
Thank you for definition of hard. I didn’t realize that Miami Dolphin fans had such a contingency of hard fans. Too bad there are not enough hard ND fans that want to win and blow everyone out in the process. ND fans settle for everything and love close wins. Losing sometimes makes them smile. That’s how I am.
Darius Walker left us? He could have helped us? Yes, I love Notre Dame football a lot, but that is very selfish of you to want to sacrifice his career to lead a team. Selfish, but interesting.
I am assuming that you went to Notre Dame and, unlike most people, you did not use it as an arena to showcase your skills. Instead, you decided to stay at Notre Dame forever. How many years have you been a student for? It was very righteous of you to stay. I am sure that in his three years at Notre Dame JC has never experienced great times at Notre Dame. I am sure that Notre Dame hasn’t helped him grow as a person. Unlike most Notre Dame grads who have left school early to pursue lucrative careers, I am sure JC will never come back to Notre Dame after he becomes successful. In fact, I am pretty sure that if JC leaves early it is a true sign that he hates Notre Dame and will be similar throwing dirt on the face of the university. JC has nothing left to prove to me. In his three years he has made remarkable strides and helped hold this team together through, hopefully, the worst stretch in the program’s history. I understand that you want a national championship. I want one, too. I want to go undefeated every year. But, unlike you, I am willing to allow others to live their lives and be grateful for the time I spent with them.
Wouldn’t it make more sense for him to go make millions of dollars then get three doctorates and numerous masters degrees from ND? That is a lot better than one year. Please leave.
Like deadred said below, you are angry. Your self righteous attitude is astounding and saddening.
by djta on Nov 4, 2009 9:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is it all about the money?
Could it be that he’ll only live once and winning a national title would be a nice thing to accomplish before death?
I am angry that none of you are angry, mostly. I’m offended by the fact that some people on this blog aren’t expecting more out of this team. We’re not watching figure skating in a nonbiased fashion. We’re supposed to be fans and no other team should matter one bit but ours and we should be discussing ways to beat and destroy the teams we face, not thanking Jesus we won by 2 or lost by 7 and not 47.
Anyone will come across as an angry lunatic when everyone is as laid back as you guys. So I accept your apology for thinking I’m pissed off. I state opinions and opinions are very often forceful. It is a blog after all where we’re supposed to express our feelings. Not the time or place for acedemia unless it lends a hand to illogical fanhood.
Fanaticism is not logical
by SunDolphin on Nov 5, 2009 6:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Different measurements of success?
Maybe some football players would rather win a Super Bowl than a National Championship? Maybe JC has other things he wants to accomplish before death? Maybe he values NFL championships and MVPs more than you do? Is that so wrong?
It seems irrational to expect a team, in any sport, to win every single game they play in year in and year out. It is fine to hope for that, but to expect that leads to irrational thoughts and feelings. It is fine if you don’t want to care about other teams, there are plenty of fans that act that way. Personally, I think following the sport as a whole makes watching my team more compelling. I would also like to destroy every team. But I also understand that there are times, whether those reasons are good or bad, when winning is acceptable.
I am pretty sure you come across as angry because you tell former ND players to screw off and that they don’t understand ND because they want to leave early to advance their careers. I think your selfish attitude and self righteousness is what makes you seem like a lunatic. I think you would be the poster child for people like that assstoops guy who was here last week. You are stuck in a bubble.
Would I want JC to stay another year and win a national championship? Sure, why wouldn’t I? But it would be for purely selfish reasons. I don’t understand why you can’t root for a fellow alum to succeed. If you were set to graduate a semester early and go on to graduate school, I would not be mad that you would be leaving the debate team high and dry in the Spring. Granted, I don’t care about the debate team at all and I care about the football team more than just about anything else, but I think it reflects my feelings that I am willing to allow someone to succeed in spite of my selfish desires.
Are opinions often forceful or your opinions often forceful? I don’t even find your opinions forceful. Forceful would suggest support and well thought analysis. Instead, you fill your posts with words like hard, destroy, and Jesus. If that is forceful, then fine you are forceful, but I find Peter Gammons much more forceful than you.
by djta on Nov 5, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where to start?
I see you have some serious anger management issues. There are professionals that can help you with that.
As for Clausen, his ultimate goal is to be a NFL QB. Playing for Weis at ND is a step in that process. If he believes staying at ND diminishes draft potential, he would be a fool to stay. Seeing Crist get hurt probably increases the likelihood he will leave after this season. Maybe he will stay and finish his commitment, but no one can blame him for going for it.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 4, 2009 6:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, attack me personally for not agreeing with you. That builds cohesion.
I won’t blame Claussen for going. And if Crist is hurt, Montana may come back. Claussen is going to have a brilliant NFL career, unlike Darius Walker who everyone (me and the teams who never drafted him) knew wasn’t going to do shit.
But I don’t think Claussen WILL go, and that’s the bottom line. It’s what I THINK. Not what I KNOW, no reason to tell me I have anger issues because I look at the same thing you do and come to a different conclusion. Maybe I’m wrong about Claussen, and his ego is bigger than I thought, but I think he’ll forgo the money for a year and keep playing college. Then again, he may not be Tim Tebow and put school before contracts. Or a hundred other pro athletes that could have left school early but didn’t.
I’ve never been to college (I’m an uneducated hick, I know, what am I doing with a computer?) but I hear a lot of people talk about how great of an experience it is. I’m not saying it’s true for Claussen, but a lot of kids love school (Colt McCoy comes to mind) and stay to be with friends, coaches, teammates as long as they can. To listen to Lou Holtz, Notre Dame simply isn’t a school you leave early from. Like Evan Sharpley, you stay as long as you can even if that means you’re third string.
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by SunDolphin on Nov 5, 2009 6:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I get it now
Montana is probably coming back regardless. That doesn’t matter. He doesn’t even play on his JUCO team. He is terrible. So he is irrelevant.
Why do you hate Darius Walker so much? The guy obviously thought his best chance to succeed in the future was to go to the NFL at that time. I do not know his reasons. Maybe he thought he would be beat out by the incoming freshmen. Maybe he thought the team would be so terrible (as it was) and that he would look so terrible that he would never get a shot at the NFL. By leaving early like he did he was able to be on NFL rosters for a couple years. He lived a dream. He and his family must be so proud. It is very rude of you to speak of anyone, especially a fellow alum (which I was obviously wrong about), that way. That really builds cohesion.
The merits of arguing JC’s status are none. I am pretty sure people think you are angry because, as I said above, you tell ND kids to screw off and you proclaim your selfish feelings as fact. Perhaps it is because you look at a complicated, multi-dimensional decision (probably the most difficult one in a young man’s life) as two factor test—money and ego vs. college pride.
Maybe Tim Tebow didn’t go pro because he had more to learn about being a quarterback and did not think he was capable of succeeding in the NFL. There are many factors involved in these decisions.
Well, not to be mean, but you not going to ND really explains a lot. I thought you were a poor representative of ND, but, in fact, you are not a representative at all. Honestly, that makes me feel relieved.
Why do you assume that if JC leaves school early that he did not have a great experience. How does Colt McCoy love school more than JC? Colt can come back next year if he wants and he most likely will not. I stayed in college as long as I could, but there wasn’t much more out there for me, except work. I think those are the people you are referring to. People that have no prospects after college. Evan Sharpley is going to get a job like the rest of us schmucks. He stayed for the same reason I stayed for 5 years—because I had a reasonable excuse for it and I could be with my friends, coaches, and teammates as long as I could (coaches and teammates equal more friends). If JC leaves, he will not think of ND as simply a school he left early for. It will be in his heart forever. ND will be a part of JC and vice-a-versa, for the rest of his life.
by djta on Nov 5, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Saying you have anger management issues
is less an attack and more a stating the obvious. Your rant about Walker is just goofy. Get over it. Clausen will do what he thinks is best for his ultimate goal, a NFL career, just like Walker thought he was doing. Trust me Walker didn’t bolt for the NFL to spite you, despite your fantasies to the contrary.
As for Montana, maybe you should check the facts before making ridiculous statements like “Montana may come back”. Montana does not even start for Pasadena CC, so why would ND want him back? He is no talent hack with a famous daddy. He was not a very good high school QB for that matter. His kid brother got all the talent. If Clausen leaves, the only scholarship QB available for spring would likely be Rees, who appears to be leaning to entering ND in January. The other recruit, Hendrix from Moeller, will not be available until fall. If Crist is unavailable, I suspect we will see Goodman, a high school QB, get some reps at QB.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 5, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Forgive me if I DO come across as overbearing and overly opinionated
But do understand that when I come here, it’s always after reading though 8,000 Dolphins or Suns or Braves comments where everyone’s got an opinion and it’s almost always stated as a fact. I have a difficult time switching from that cock pit to this where there’s four or five people tops and not a dozen conversations going on at once.
I am not going to make this into personal bull shit with you guys. I won’t even stick around if my opinions are going to rock the boat. If you don’t want me livening up the place, let me know.
Fanaticism is not logical
by SunDolphin on Nov 5, 2009 7:10 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Making stupid statements
is not livining up the place, it is just being a troll. Try thinking before posting. I would love to have more thoughtful posters here to share ideas with, so are you up to the challenge?
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 5, 2009 12:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
There is nothing like well thought out opinions to discuss.
by djta on Nov 5, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
There are about two people who post here on a regular basis.
I’ll leave you guys alone.
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by SunDolphin on Nov 5, 2009 2:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So
I guess you are not up to being a thoughtful poster. No surprise there.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 5, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dont let one A-hole discourage you from posting...
He claims you have anger issues, but goes out of his way to spew hate in nearly every post he makes. Perhaps it is not you that has a problem but another.
This space for rent.
by averagegatsby on Nov 5, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not only that...
But who gives a shit what other people think. As long as you dont bring about personal attacks you can say whatever you want on here related to the university of Notre Dame. Until someone from this SB nation site actually gives you a warning dont worry about it.
I would have flooded the last weeks game thread with my abundant heart on my sleeve devotion but believe it or not I was actually hanging with some friends.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 5, 2009 9:51 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, man
I’ve been extremely frustrated this season, and it appears I’m not alone if something as simple as wether Jimmy is going pro or not set these two off. I blame it on Charlie Weis, but whatever the reason, I just haven’t had fun with this team this year. This is all a part of it. The Dolphins are 3-4 and it’s been a fantastic season so far. Something is wrong with the Irish culture or something, or wrong with the way I’m seeing it this year. I cannot wait for the Navy game and at the same time I don’t know if I want to watch it. We need a statement win. This could be it. Then Pitt.
And, Red, I’m not going to be a thoughful poster if it means agreeing with you on things I disagree with. Ain’t happening, pal. I may be a “Rudy” fan who has never been to South Bend, but I’m educated enough to not sell myself short like that.
We’ve got to win Saturday, win the rest of the season, get a good bowl game to make a statement, and Weis needs to get his head out of his ass and be a good coach. Stop underachieving with this superb football team. He keeps getting great recruits and still, Tate and Claussen win in spite of Weis’ attitude and coaching mistakes. I’m still miffed about that halftime talk about being satisfied at being down just a few points to USC.
Thanks again, Gatsby, you recharged my batteries. This Navy game is gonna be huge! I love blue and gold!
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by SunDolphin on Nov 5, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You aren't going to get much sympathy from me about your sports teams...
Im a Royals fan and a Chiefs fan. Also I wouldn’t be so miffed about what Weis said going into the locker room during the USC game, its just coach talk. We dont know what he said in the locker room.
And one more thing going back to the Darious Walker, I feel kind of bad for him, because he obviously got some really bad advice. Heck the only college player that I have actually gotten mad at for leaving was Wayne Simeon when he left KU… To this day Im convinced they would have won the championship with him, hell they made the finals and then got killed by Carmelo Anthony that year… But oh well.
Dont let the people get you down. So what your a passionate fan, Ive lived and died every Saturday for longer than I care to mention, and have gotten plenty shit for it. Hell if these guys think Im bad about Irish football, they would have really hated me last April when for about 6 weeks it looked like the Royals were actually going to be a contender.
But having said all of that, after the USC loss we pretty much have no shot at a BCS bowl, so Im just trying to enjoy the season.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 5, 2009 11:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I feel bad for you, lol
I remember Johnny Damon drinking milk wearing a Royals uniform. I must have been 13 and wondered who the heck that was. No one in that uniform can be any good. Well, I was wrong and the Royals paid for it.
And the Dolphins pretty much cleaned your Chiefs out, but I have to say, I don’t know much about the Royals fanbase, but the Chiefs have some of the best fans on the face of the Earth. Maybe when Parcells is done in Miami he’ll help his son in law out a bit. Chiefs deserve better than what they’ve got now. I remember they used to be a lot better.
I was a huge Darius Walker fan. He was my favorite player and I was shocked when he opted for the draft. Maybe that helps you understand where I’m coming from.
I know that was coach speak, but damn that is not something I want to hear from the HC. I want to hear, “yeah we’re down but we’re coming back in the second half. Whatch out!” Need positive vibes. I envy USC in that they’re always so hyped up. That’s intimidating. Carrol keeps that team loose and I like it.
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by SunDolphin on Nov 5, 2009 11:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well I think...
I can easily make the argument that Royals fans (though mostly the same) are better fans than Chiefs fans. There have been some really good Chiefs teams in recent memory, but aside from 2003 (which really was just smoke and mirrors) the Royals have been pretty bad since the strike. The fact that the Royals nearly sold out a few games down the stretch purely because of Greinke shows that if they team gets it together its going to be something special.
And I really think the Chiefs have hit bottom and have started the climb back to the top, its just a long journey. I also think the Chiefs are a little better than they have played so far. New Players, new coaches new systems, switched from 4-3 to 3-4. Brutal schedule to start. I still think 5 wins is possible, probably unlikely but hey crazier shit has happened.
I used to get really bothered by players leaving early, but I think of it like this. Bradford probably should have came out. He very well could have been the number one overall player last year. And now he is going to be maybe a top 20 pick, its going to cost him 10’s of millions. Of course he will likely wind up with a better team so he may be better for it in the long run. But its hard to fault a player for coming out early when millions of dollars are on the line. And like I said about Walker, he got bad advice, he didn’t get drafted so he probably should have stayed. Who knows maybe he had serious problems at home and had to put food on the table. So
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by averagegatsby on Nov 6, 2009 12:06 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That does happen, that a player has to put food on the table.
If you’re injury prone like Bradford is (if indeed he is, cause peterson got hurt in college and look at him now) then it would have been smart to get the money now because who knows if he’ll finish a long NFL career. But at the end of, let’s say 15 years, what’s gonna be the difference between 140 million and 110 million if you get picked in the middle of the first round and not number one overall? If you’re picked 20th and you play your career like you were picked first, you’re going to get paid. Hell, Tom Brady got paid and he was picked 420th or something.
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by SunDolphin on Nov 6, 2009 8:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe you and gatsby should get a room
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 6, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
and deprive you of all your fuh?
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by averagegatsby on Nov 6, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah spellcheck fail.
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by averagegatsby on Nov 6, 2009 1:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ok
Sorry that we aren’t hard enough for you. I guess I need to spend more time at the Pee Wee Herman SBNation site and randomly select “favorite” sports teams across the country. Oh and make baseless and irrational claims on message boards. Then will you stay?
by djta on Nov 5, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
How do you refute an opinion with an opinion?
This is a blog. There is no prize for being right. I can’t even give you a cookie.
If Pee Wee Herman had an SBNation I’d be there, too.
The Dolphins are my only “random” sports team, yet I remember it clearly the day it happened. And I was a Dolphan before I knew what sports was; a neat story. I was born in Mesa, and my uncle is a Braves fan. Much less random. I’m an Army Bratt so I don’t have the luxury of growing up in one city or state my whole life. If I had I’d have liked the Sox/Bears/Blackhawks and Juice Williams. Thank God we didn’t stay in Illinois, either.
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