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Notre Dame Coaches: 3 for 3

 

Let’s review the last three seasons of the last three coaches at the Notre Dame Fighting Irish.  The third year will be compared at ten games into the year, for a side-by-side comparison. 

As you will see, Charlie has performed miserably – far worse than his two most recent predecessors and poor by any measure. 

Further, he has earned dubious distinctions that aren’t conspicuously revealed in the W-L columns: losing to rival Navy…twice…at home in past three years; most 30 point defeats as percentage of games coached; worst record against winning-record teams; 0-5 against USC; etc.

Davie (1999-2001): 19-15  || 55.9%

 

Willingham (2002-2004): 21-14  ||  60.0%

 

Weis (2007-2009): 16-19  ||  45.7% 

 

Here are some of the excuses for Notre Dame and its alumnus, Charlie:

 

1)  ND’s academic standards are too high to enable a competitive team

(Really, tell that to Stanford, which has more stringent student-athlete academic standards than that of ND; what is an athlete’s "academic standard" at ND?  I can highlight ACTs and high school GPAs of many football starters, but will just say ND has a lot of 18 ACT scores, which is below the 50th percentile, by the way).

2)  Charlie inherited a team with depleted talent

(On a relative basis, perhaps; that was December 2004, too.  Yet, ask any coach at Boise State, Boston College, Stanford, Texas Christian, Texas Tech, Brigham Young, Navy, et al, whether he would love to have had that depleted talent – even that depleted talents’ backup players, and they would salivate at such an offer)

3)  Charlie needs more time

(More than half-a-decade?  Really?  The top coaches in the country have been vocal about the top-notch talent at ND, particularly its current juniors and seniors, and the depth on the squad)

4)  Next year will be better

(Charlie loses the core of his starters as most are seniors; Tate and Clausen will likely enter the draft since both will go high in first-round and it’s the last year of no-cap rookie salary; So, do the math…2010 equals rebuilding year…even though the house was never built!)

 

The Brains AND Brawn, Mama Say Knock You Out, Stanford Cardinal is, hands-down, the role model for a Division I program that wants to instill class, discipline, athletic competitiveness and academics.  

Bottom line: Can Notre Dame’s administration change its ways and do what it requires to improve student-athlete standards and perform on-and-off the field as does the Stanford Cardinal?

That is the question, Dear Readers…

 

 

 

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Stanford has Bob Bowlsby as an AD (from Iowa...look at his record there)

that is the difference. ND lacks good senior leadership in the Athletic Dept. Until you get that straightened out, then Weis is merely the tip of the iceberg.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 16, 2009 11:42 AM EST reply actions  

Stanford is the role model???

Look at Stanford’s football record over the last twenty or even thirty years. What makes them a role model for ND to emulate? ND has had the better success hands down. Sure, Harbaugh is having a great season this year, but that does not make the Stanford program the class of D1 football. Most schools are able to produce a great year every once in a while. Heck, Ty Willingham had a great season on the Farm too, taking Stanford to a Rose Bowl. One great season does not a great program make. If Harbaugh can make Stanford consistently an upper tier team, then you would be onto something, but I doubt Harbaugh will stick around the Farm long enough. We’ll see.

As for Weis, he has to go, regardless of the results of the remaining games. He has had enough time to build the program. He has improved the program in some areas, but he clearly does not do a good job of coaching recruits up and in preparing his team for game day. So back to Harbaugh, if ND made him an offer I suspect he would rather coach at ND than at Stanford. He has a huge ego and wants to show the world he is as good a coach as there is and resurrecting the ND program presents him with that opportunity. There are some other good possibilities out there, but of all the names being thrown around, Harbaugh is the most intriguing to me.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Nov 17, 2009 9:08 AM EST reply actions  

Since Bob Bowlsby left Iowa to arrived at Stanford

ND and Stanford have had identical 16-21 records. One difference, Stanford was coming off a 1-11 season three years ago and Notre Dame was coming off a 10-3 record. The Irish had a huge head start.

Now they play this weekend…who do you think is on the upswing and who is falling apart at the seams. Notre Dame’s AD has been on the job about the same amount of time as Bowlsby has been at Stanford. The product on the field says it all. They play this weekend…maybe that will tell the tale.

Notre Dame hired an AD who has never worked in ANY athletic department anywhere, ever. Why does ND keep doing this to themselves? Why do they habitually hire key football people who don’t have a proven track record in college football? It is one of life’s great mysteries.

"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz

by StoopsMyAss on Nov 26, 2009 10:03 AM EST up reply actions  

Is Charlie done?

What are the odds he is given another year to redeam himself?

PS: I heard on the radio that Weise may be a target for Buffalo next year.

by TrentEdwardsHoF2018 on Nov 20, 2009 10:30 AM EST reply actions  

Weis and Trent Edwards together

you would be in heaven.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Nov 21, 2009 12:50 PM EST up reply actions  

I can't see any conceivable way...

that Weis is brought back. Hell it sounds almost like Weis doesn’t want to be back with a comment like 6-5 isn’t good enough. Last week I wasn’t of the mind that he had to go, at least Pittsburgh is a formidable opponent. But its becoming much more clear that the Irish teams in the Weis era at best play to the level of their competition. They conceivably could have won every game this year which points to bad coaching.

I like Charlie as a human, I like Charlie as an NFL coordinator, but I do not like Charlie as a college head coach. Its unfortunate too, because I imagine few people want to succeed at ND like Weis, but unfortunately that really doesn’t cut it.

This space for rent.

by averagegatsby on Nov 22, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Charlie inherited a team with depleted talent

he went to two back to back BCS bowls with great talent that he did not recruit. the talent he did recruit is good he just sucks as a coach

"Yes we lost and yes we are upset. But like all Champs we will bounce back."
Osi umenyiora

by donnybaseball23 on Nov 24, 2009 4:45 PM EST reply actions  

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