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A Funny Thing Happened On The Way To Heinz Field: Charlie Weis, Navy and Notre Dame's Future

Saturday was a collective fail for many in the Notre Dame family.  The team wasn't ready, the coaches weren't ready and a lot of fans - yours truly included - had overlooked Navy in anticipation of the big primetime showdown in Pittsburgh.  Granted, fans are allowed to have their eyes wander and focus lapse, but you expect a bit more from those actually participating in the games.  But it wasn't that effort and execution weren't there the entire time, particularly on offense outside the ten yard line.  The offense hummed right up and down the field like they should, and the defense made a few necessary stops in the second half after getting shredded for the majority of the game, but there was a feeling very early on that this just wasn't meant to be.  Charlie Weis' tenure at Notre Dame was, for all intents and purposes, going to end on that field against the Midshipmen, who haven't lost at Notre Dame Stadium since 2005.

Two missed field goals from a kicker who had set the Notre Dame record for success a week prior.  A fumble at goal line by your all-world quarterback, and an interception at the goal line caused by a miscommunication between that same quarterback and an all-universe receiver who was still knocking some rust off.  At one point when it looked like Kyle Rudolph's collarbone had gone the way of the Dodo and Clausen looked like someone needed to outline him in chalk on the goal line, it seemed like a perfect end to a season and a coaching tenure: just sheer, unadulterated chaos and horrendous luck.

Charlie Weis has brought a lot of bad things onto himself.  There are the play calls and personnel usages that seem to be randomly drawn from a hat every game.  There's a decided lack of schematic advantage in a lot of cases, and the way he handled himself his first couple years on the job put him in a rather large hole in regards to public relations.  But make no mistake; he's had some bad luck.  Despite showing a clear willingness to find that right guy, he's never gotten the great defensive coordinator to help him out, like Spurrier had Stoops.  His tenure coincides with some of the best runs in both USC and Naval Academy history*.  He's been so so close to getting the big defensive tackle the team so desperately needs a handful of times, only to have the rug yanked out from under him at the last second every time.  No, Weis has done a lot of damage to himself, but the comedy of random, Angry Football God errors that plagued the team Saturday is a nice representation of Weis' tenure as a whole.

*A lot of people are shouting about "We lost to Navy, you can't do that!", while ignoring the fact that Navy nearly won at Ohio State and has consistently beaten or kept up with very good teams over the last half decade.  I'm not saying the loss isn't inexcusable and the final nail in Weis' coffin, but a lot of teams would lose to Navy this year, especially when every single bounce went the other way.

So where does the program go from here, at 6-3 with three very losable games ahead and a fan base that's already starting to track private jets?  Before the season started, I wanted 9-3.  After USC, I wanted 9-3, and that record is still possible, however highly unlikely with two road trips against good teams and a home game against a UConn team long overdue for an emotional win.  I don't think Weis wins out, and if he doesn't, it's over.  Even if he wins out - even with the absurdity of firing a 9-3 coach - I'm not sure he can come back.  So much of the fan base is just poisoned against him and in need of a change, I don't know if he can make it.  The fact sheets are created, short lists are being trimmed and if the administration is any sort of competent, they're already sending out feelers for a replacement.  There isn't a group of ND fans in the country who haven't already started their e-mail chain looking for a replacement.

That's what makes Saturday night's game at Pitt so interesting.  I'm very confident in the Irish's ability to compete, despite the fact Pitt is a top ten team with a balanced offense and tenacious defense.  If the Irish lose, well then that's it.  It's Kelly or Gruden or Meyer or Stoops or Patterson or Eric Taylor or whoever you want to dream of in the slot.  If it's a win?  Then there's another week of teeth gnashing and garment rending and seeing if Weis can survive two more games.  If you're interested in high drama and sad because Mad Men just went on hiatus, there's no better place to look than the Notre Dame community as they plan the funeral of a man who is still among the living.

My position regarding Weis is that I wanted 9-3 and that record is still possible, so until it becomes unachievable, I'm going to hold off on posting about potential coaching changes.  I'll be listening to Monday Night Football  for secret signals from Jon Gruden and looking into Brian Kelly's system, but I'm going to cover this team like the games do still matter, at least until they don't any more, which could be this weekend in time for Saturday Night Live.  The FanPosts are available for anyone and everyone to discuss coaching rumors or potential options, but for a few more days at least, I'm going to act like Charlie Weis is the head coach at Notre Dame for the future.  That might be the epitome of naiveté, but that's how we're going to play it until Pittsburgh.

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Charlie Weis

Coach ? Weis is a dead whale walking!!!

by taxistan on Nov 11, 2009 7:37 AM EST reply actions  

Really?

Thanks for the update buddy. I’m glad you joined Rakes to make that post.

by djta on Nov 11, 2009 11:21 AM EST up reply actions  

CW's stance on CW

I think it is a reasonable stance to take. However, your stance seems to indicate that if ND wins out, then they should keep Weis. I don’t think that is a good stance.

If that is not your stance, then you are going to replace Weis regardless of the results of the final three games. Therefore, what is the harm in discussing candidates for the job?

by djta on Nov 11, 2009 11:23 AM EST reply actions  

While I agree if he goes 9-3

Weis will not be canned, but I think he has proven to be not up to the task. He was a serious upgrade over predecssors like Willingham and Davie, but he clearly has not done a very good job of coaching up his recruits. There is little to indicate Weis can take ND to the next level. I find myself hoping he wins out but decides to return to the NFL.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Nov 11, 2009 1:04 PM EST reply actions  

This post...

Is why I love this blog, and why I love you, CW.

by SuperNewb on Nov 11, 2009 4:59 PM EST reply actions  

Gruden would be a disaster

Don’t think Chucky doll would be good for college kids. Just don’t think you can stab the players if they don’t perform well. Just don’t think ND administration would tolerate that.

Pray for win-out, pray for JC to stay another year, pray for Golden to stay, pray for Floyd to stay healthy, pray for speed recruits on the D-line. Bring the Fat Man back for one more year.

by elroy kona on Nov 12, 2009 12:37 AM EST reply actions  

What makes you think he would stab people in the back? He seems like he is a very passionate guy who could draw on the emotions of young players. Everything I have heard seems to indicate that he understands the uniqueness of ND and would be able to be a strong representative.

by djta on Nov 12, 2009 11:41 AM EST up reply actions  

I have been a life long irish fan

I dont have as much a problem with coach Wiess as others do
I think he has shown he can recruit and Notre Dame can still compete.
I do believe he has to do a better job of recruiting defensive talent.
I wouldnt get rid of him yet remember some of the coaches we had since Lou Holtz

by mississippisaintsfan on Nov 12, 2009 8:05 AM EST reply actions  

I think everyone agrees that he can compete. But don’t you want more than that? I want to win. I think this recruiting thing is one of the biggest myths about Weis. He has even stated this himself, ND sells itself. All it takes is some hard work and getting out there. As long as we can find a guy that values success over birdies, then our recruiting should continue to be fine. Additionally, Weis is about to land his 2nd straight recruiting class outside the top 10. Nothing spectacular there. I imagine that ND could bring in a coach willing to work as hard and provide some advantages in the Xs and Os, and draw on some of the emotions that Weis’ teams seem to lack.

by djta on Nov 12, 2009 11:44 AM EST up reply actions  

New here, so I don’t know if these things have been said, but here goes:

Charlie Weis HAS to stay at least one more year, for several reasons.

1. Recruiting is finally up. ND is going to be at the 85 scholarship limit for the first time in years.

2. His players love him, especially the offensive ones. If Weis is fired after this season, one thing is for fairly certain: We’re doomed next year. Especially with the looming rookie wage issues in the NFL for 2011, if Charlie is gone, so too are Clausen, Tate, Floyd, and Rudolph. That leaves us next year with a young, mediocre receiving core, no starting QB (remember, crist is hurt), and a young offensive line again.

3. MOST of the problems this year can be blamed on the defense – and lets be honest, no one expected CW to be a defensive mastermind. If, for example, Robert Blanton had never put on an ND uniform, i’m willing to bet we’re undefeated right now. Yes, he is that bad.

4. ND fans are too diluted. What are we now? we’ve only had several 10+ win seasons in the past 40 years, and most were under holtz. With the academic standards put forth by schools like Florida and Ohio State, ND has to work so much harder than other schools to get top of the line talent. In such an environment, when did 9-3 or 8-4 become not good enough?

by quantumuprising on Nov 12, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

some responses

1. I agree that recruiting has been good, probably great. But see my response above re: the myth of Weis’ recruiting. I am pretty sure that anyone willing to put in the effort can draw kids to ND. Charlie is one of the two hardest working recruiters out there. It is effort not skill and effort can be found elsewhere.

2. I don’t know about the players love for him. That might be true. All I know is what they say in front of reporters. Floyd and Rudolph are 100% not going pro. Clausen is probably going regardless. Tate would be dumb not to go, too, as his stock is as high as it will ever be. Furthermore, I don’t understand how these players leaving has anything to do with retaining Weis. Crist will be back. Floyd will be back. We have some mediocre, but mildly experienced WRs. We still have our RB. Robinson, Stewart, and Wenger (I know he sucks) will all be back. The offense will be fine and the defense should improve (it has to, right?). But, again, I don’t see how this is an argument to keep Weis.

3. There are some severe problems developing our defensive players (see Blanton and Harrison S.). I think SOME of the problems can be blamed on the defense. But they only gave up 21 points to Navy. If the offense is so awesome they should be able to score 3 TDs and not give up safeties. Our redzone efficiency is dreadful. We have had some big troubles putting the ball in the endzone. That is where a lot of the problems are. Moreover, even if MOST of the problems are with the defense, then how is this a reason to keep Weis? Weis is the head coach. He is in charge of the offense and the defense. Ok, he shifted that responsibility to Tenuta. Well Tenuta isn’t cutting it then and it is Weis’ fault for picking a shitty defensive guy. Weis is the head coach not the OC. He doesn’t get to hang his hat on side of the ball and wash his hands of the other.

4. This is the same attitude I was complaining about in another thread. Why are people so satisfied with being a fringe top 30 football team? I called this attitude lame and I think that it is. It is defeatist. Ask for more. I don’t know what it means for the fans to be diluted (delusional?), but academic standards are not killing ND. They are really not that tough and these kids academic backgrounds, for the most part, are not any different than other top schools. There is one glaring exception though—most (all?) schools are allowed a guy or two from each recruiting class that does not meet the school’s admissions standards. ND does not get this. For whatever reason, this often tends to be particularly relevant at the DT position. ND has trouble finding guys that meet the requirements at the positions. The big difference in the academics at ND is that the players have to go to class and pass their classes. I don’t really see how this affects the football team unless a recruit knows that he doesn’t want to go to college to go to class. I don’t think that is a large problem though. If 9-3/8-4 is successful for you, then congratulations. I expect more from my team and hope most people do as well.

by djta on Nov 12, 2009 12:04 PM EST up reply actions  

Let's take them one at a time

1. Recruiting is up over the Willingham and Davie years, a backhanded compliment to be sure.

2. Players would love winning more. As for the upcoming NFL draft, Clausen probably goes regardless of what Weis does, Tate may go (but he would be foolish to go) but again what Weis does is probably immaterial. Weis leaving will not affect Floyd and Rudolph. They will not go, so the cupboard will not be as bare as you fear and the Weis effect is not as significant as you would have us believe.

3. True, no one expected Weis to be a defensive genius, but no one expected hjim to be so incapable of putting together a good (not great) defense.

As for Blanton, he is the only standing thing between ND and an undefeated season? Wow! Have you even watched the games?

4. 9-3 and 8-4 is not good enough at ND, just ask Weis. He would tell you he did not come to ND to produce better teams than his predecessor, he came to produce championship teams.

I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren

by lookingdeadred on Nov 12, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions  

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