Golden Is Thy Name: Tate and Hughes Lead Notre Dame Rout of Washington State
Some Irish fans - we'll call them the lunatic fringe - have been complaining that Notre Dame hasn't been blowing the doors off of teams because of their vast talent advantage, or whatever. Granted, every team they had played against Nevada had been a BCS team that either has a great win or very competitive game against a top team. We were not going to get a poor effort from them, and due to the abilities of Jimmy Clausen and friends, the Irish were 5-2.
This game - this weird Halloween night clash with a Pacific Northwest foe near the Mexico border - is what it looks like when you play a team where you have a dominant talent advantage. You control the lines on both sides of the ball, you get your back-ups plenty of reps and everyone gets to focus on enjoying the band and going home happy. There were obviously some very bad things to come out of last night: the injuries of still-unknown consequence to Trevor Robinson and Dayne Crist, plus Jimmy re-aggravating the turf toe. But the Irish did what they needed to do as they get ready for a tricky November slate, and now to the bullet points.
- Golden Tate is a top two or three Heisman candidate at this point, and anyone who has him lower than that is simply voting for the big name quarterback who was supposed to be at the top of the ticket before the season started. All he does is score touchdowns - out of the backfield, on catch and runs, tearing the ball away from three defenders on a jumpball in the endzone - and jump into bands and refuse to get tackled at any point. He's amazing, he's got two go-ahead fourth quarter touchdowns (Michigan State, Boston College) and a huge game against Southern Cal. He played better as more of the defense focused on him after Michael Floyd's injury. Golden Tate is a Heisman front runner, and anyone who doesn't have him there doesn't deserve a vote.
- Great work by the defensive line all night, as KLM led the team in tackles with five. Ian Williams had a pick, Ethan Johnson was a constant presence in the backfield and Wazzu running back Dwight Tardy didn't really get going into the second string was in. Hopefully they enjoyed rushing the passer this week, as the next game against Navy won't warrant too many of those opportunities.
- Excellent game by Robert Hughes and Theo Riddick as Armando Allen sat a spell. Hughes had 182 yards of offense on 28 touches - just beautiful, gaudy numbers as he consistently provided a nice check down for Jimmy - while Riddick flashed some speed with 12 for 75.
- Dayne really flashed the gun on that pass to John Goodman. Let's hope his leg(s) is okay, although it's not a good sign when the pain from an injury is so intense a player just drops the ball. Jimmy, please stay? Thanks.
- Tony Dungy compared Clausen to Drew Brees at halftime. I like it.
- Duval Kamara went from being written off by Irish fans to becoming a very nice part of this receiving corps. It was also nice to see Kyle Rudolph back in the mix at receiver, as well as Mike Ragone getting his first catch of the season (which seems impossible, yet is true).
- As far as Irish bowl chances go, they are two very tough road games and two tricky home games away from winning out, so let's not get too involved with that. However, it is worth glancing at: If the Irish go 10-2 they will have a shot at a BCS game, a good chance at the Cotton Bowl (depending on how LSU looks in November) and become a virtual lock for the Gator. If they go 9-3, I imagine it's almost a definite trip to the Gator against the Canes or Hokies. There are all fine games against good teams, so the focus of Irish fans should be on just winning, baby.
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Tate and the Heisman
No way Tate wins the Heisman, none. He is a WR and WRs rarely have much chance against QBs and RBs. Also, he has a teammate who has a better shot at the Heisman than he does, Clausen.
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~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 1, 2009 10:19 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
As for the game itself
Let’s not get too excited about the game. ND did what they were supposed to do to one of the worst teams in the land. Anything less than this would have been a disappointment. They dominated a very bad team, thta’s all.
Offensively, Riddick was the revelation. I think the kid is going to be very special and give ND a breakaway back they have not had for a while. The DL had its best game, but you have to consider the competition. WSU’s OL looked the ND OL the previous couple of years, making it easy for a DL to look good.
The key play of the game may turn out to be Crist’s injury. It looks like Crist’s knee injury is the end of the season for him. If it is serious enough, it also means no spring practice either, leaving ND with no scholarship QBs for spring if Clausen leaves. As for the possibility (probability?) of Clausen leaving, seeing his good buddy get hurt like that in a meaningless play may help convince Clausen to declare for the NFL after this season. He may decide he has more to risk from injury than he has to gain by staying for his final season.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 1, 2009 10:32 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree. I think they did just enough against a terrible, terrible football team to avoid humiliation.
Fanaticism is not logical
by SunDolphin on Nov 1, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This game was not played in Laredo
Saying San Antonio is near the Mexican border is like saying South Bend is near the Canadian border. SA is 2 1/2 hours from Laredo and 5 hrs from Brownsville.
And I beg to differ w/ the last post re: Crist and Clausen. Clausen would know not to make such an errant run that could result in injury – or he is too slow to even try. Either way, it was a reckless play by Crist when he could have taken the sack. He needs to learn these lessons, and he’s learning them the hard way.
Jimmy may indeed go pro – he’s 22 years old now and his potential has peaked this year. He looks like a better pro-style QB than the other guys coming out, including McCoy and Tebow. Bradford will be a risk because of his injury. So it’s disappointing that Crist — who will likely start for us next year — remains so raw almost 2 years into his tenure at ND. But it was a nice pass to Goodman.
by elroy kona on Nov 1, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
You miss my point
Sure an experienced QB can minimize the possibility of injury, but he cannot eliminate it. Bradford was an experienced QB and he got hurt twice, Tebow is an experienced QB and he got hurt, the same could happen to Clausen, which is why he may not return next year.
As for Crist being “reckless” … please. He is a mobile QB (unlike Clausen) and so you cannot blame him for trying to make a play.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 1, 2009 11:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The meaning of mobile'
Look, Mike Vick is a ‘mobile’ QB. Tyrod Taylor is a mobile QB. Jeremiah Masoli is a mobile QB. Crist is not a mobile QB. He can run w/o tripping over his own feet – which is what Jimmy did on Saturday — but that doesn’t make him mobile. And yeeees, I know he ran for 15 yards a couple games ago. Color me impressed.
by elroy kona on Nov 1, 2009 10:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You seem to equate mobile with
being a running QB. I think that is flawed.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 2, 2009 12:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ND IS close to Canada
2.5 hours is pretty fucking close. ND is 3.5 hours from Canada and I know that lots of kids go there on fall and spring break. I imagine a lot of San Antonians go to Mexico for vacations. It is also relevant that both ND and Washington State are over 1,000 miles from Mexico. San Antonio is about 90% closer to Mexico than ND. That is a really dumb comment.
by djta on Nov 1, 2009 11:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
BCS
If ND wins out and finishes 10-2, they will be in a BCS game. A few teams ahead of them lost yesterday. The computers already have them 19. They still have that tough road game against Pitt. They will be in the top 12.
by djta on Nov 1, 2009 12:01 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Probably, but...
they could be behind:
1) ACC Champ
2) Big East Champ
3) SEC Champ
4) Big Ten Champ
5) Pac 10 Champ (Oregon)
6) Big XII Champ
7) SEC Runner Up
8) Either TCU or Boise
Then you’d have us, whoever is left from TCU or Boise, potentially an 11-1 Penn State and 10-2 USC who beat us. I think we probably get in at 10-2, but there are a lot of horses still in the race.
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by CW on Nov 1, 2009 2:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Beat Pitt
and then we’ll talk.
But yes, the Orange Bowl will take you if you go 10-2. All other Bowls will pass though barring major upsets the rest of the way. Read up on the pecking order and how each bowl sizes up fan following. ND fan following has fallen behind all but one of those teams listed above. TV ratings would be very high and higher than all but one above, but bowl execs could care a less about TV ratings. They want tickets sold and right away. They want people traveling to the game, not same day buys from locals. It is complicated but 1-7 pose a major problem for the Irish. Also, your BCS ranking will never get below 14, making you a charity case if you get in. Just how it is. But, good luck.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 1, 2009 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why only the Orange?
Why would the others pass? I didn’t realize there was a big distinction among the tastes of BCS bowls beyond the Fiesta being a little more interested in western teams and the Sugar preferring the SEC runner-up if the SEC champ is in the title game.
I think ND ends up on the outside looking in in regards to the BCS, but I don’t understand why their only prayer at 10-2 is the Orange.
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by CW on Nov 1, 2009 5:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Can USC
win out and not win the Pac 10?
If so that really hurts ND’s chances of getting into a BCS game… Not that Im looking forward to getting rolled against a premier team.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Nov 1, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
Oregon is going to win the Pac 10. If Arizona somehow wins out, then they will win it. Oregon can lose once and still win it, unless Arizona wins out.
by djta on Nov 1, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So then it stands to believe...
that if USC wins out they will get one of the 2 open spots. Which means more than likely ND wont get one.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Nov 1, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No, Penn State is on track for one BCS at-large
right now. Everyone is reporting that. They travel like devils and are likley to be #5 in nation at season’s end…#7 at worst. The other at-large goes to ND (as a long shot, for the Orange Bowl only) or more likely TCU or Boise or Bama. No one want TCU, they average 34K per home game and their staidum holds 40K and they never play on national TV so no one knows them. If the BCS can screw them, they will. The $$ stakes are too high. As for Boise, they have a shot to pass TCU in BCS…but it is slim without a TCU loss. Bama could demolish LSU and then lose squaker to Florida in SEC Champ game, then they get in over all these others.
ND needs help, big time.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 1, 2009 9:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Oregon wins out,
they win the Pac 10. That said, Oregon winning out is no sure thing.
I always turn to the sports section first. The sports page records people's accomplishments; the front page has nothing but man's failures.
~Earl Warren
by lookingdeadred on Nov 2, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It does get a little diecy when you write it out
There will probably be a couple slips in there, but ND needs a lot of help.
1-6 are a given
7) I can imagine a world where LSU beats Bama and Bama beats Florida. That would be another team in front of ND.
8) They would probably both be ahead of ND (or at least I hope they would), but what happens if Utah beats TCU? Are they both ahead of ND?
I wouldn’t be surprised if USC lost again. I wonder where ND lies vs a 2-loss Penn St and a 2-loss Ohio St. What happens if Ohio St beats Penn St and Iowa? Probably nothing good for ND.
Things don’t look as rosy as I thought. Nevertheless, all ND can do is win. I’d be very happy to win out and play in the Cotton Bowl. Who would we play in the Cotton? Oklahoma or LSU?
by djta on Nov 1, 2009 5:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Winner of Bedlam
We’d replace the SEC team (LSU), and play the Number 2 Big XII team, which would probably be OU or OK State. We need LSU to get nicked up a couple more times and win out, I think. It’s not impossible (games left against Alabama and Arkansas).
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by CW on Nov 1, 2009 5:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ND needs Penn State to lose
badly. Then they need Boise or TCU to lose. Then they need Alabama to look bad, and maybe even lose more than once. Then they have a shot.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 1, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Necessarily
Only one of Boise and TCU are not both going to be selected. As you said above, these are not teams that BCS bowls are itching to have. Only one of them will probably be selected so it doesn’t really matter if one loses.
ND is not competing with Bama for a spot. The SEC will have 2 BCS teams out of Florida, Bama, and LSU. There will probably be two spots for Ohio St/Penn St, USC, and ND.
So we are looking like this:
Florida
Bama
Texas
Iowa
Cinci
GT
Oregon
Boise/TCU
Penn St/Ohio St
USC/ND
If Ohio St beats Penn St there is a chance that ND could be selected over a 2nd Big Ten team, but I doubt that. I also doubt ND gets selected over USC, but possible.
by djta on Nov 1, 2009 10:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
USC is not a factor
except for super long shot with Rose Bowl. They are not going anywhere else in the BCS. I predict Holiday Bowl for them.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 1, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Why would a 2 loss USC team not be selected over a two loss ND team?
by djta on Nov 1, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Its going to be a non-issue.
If Alabama and Florida run the table to the SEC championship the loser will most definitely get an at large bid. The other will more than likely go to Penn State (provided that Iowa does not have a major melt down). Not only that but there
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Nov 1, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ND is not competing for a BCS spot
BASED ON MERIT…if it were based on merit they would not EVER go. Dude, this is about $$$ and fan base travel, appeal based on historical match-up, etc.
NDs only chance is the Orange Bowl and if Penn State loses or Bama loses to LSU and then LSU loses to Florida. One of those MUST happen. They also need Boise or TCU to lose so they BOTH don’t get in if teams above them start to fall.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 2, 2009 7:28 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
ND doesn’t need TCU or Boise to lose. One and only one conference champ from any of the non-BCS conferences will get an automatic bid (C-USA, MAC, Mountain West, Sun Belt, WAC). It must finish #12 or higher, or #16 or higher if a BCS conference champ finishes lower. If there are multiple champs from those conferences that meet the criteria, the highest-ranked one gets the automatic bid and the other(s) is/are in the at-large pool.
ND has a chance to go to the Orange or the Fiesta. ND does not need Penn St. to lose. Here is one way it could play out.
Championship: Florida/Alabama vs. Texas
Sugar (championship game replacement, at-large): Alabama/Florida
Fiesta (championship game replacement, at-large): Notre Dame
Orange (first pick): Penn State (at-large)
Fiesta (second pick): TCU/Boise St. (automatic)
Sugar (third pick): Cincinnati (automatic Big East champ)
Orange (final pick): Georgia Tech (automatic ACC champ)
Rose (no picks due to traditional tie-ins and no teams lost to the national title game): Iowa vs. Oregon
I don’t see why ND would be selected over USC, but they could. This is how it would work.
I stole most of this from here:
http://www.ndnation.com/boards/showpost.php?b=football;pid=2972;d=this
by djta on Nov 2, 2009 11:26 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You have the following possible problems
LSU can screw it all up for you
Boise or TCu can be an at-large…if those teams finish (somehow) both in top 4.
And I think USC is LONG SHOT. But since you mention it, they might be a problem. Then there is Arizona. They can screw you. Pitt of course in head to head.
And then there is this…you need to get into the top 14.
"I think it's safe to say our concerns are many." -- Kirk Ferentz
by StoopsMyAss on Nov 2, 2009 12:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
You are all over the place
After your unthoughtful ramblings, you have reached the same conclusions that I did in my original posts.
I am glad that you have given up on your idiotic Orange bowl claim and your USC is not an issue because of money claim. ND will have to overcome LSU and a Pac-10 team to get selected.
Obviously this is all predicated on ND winning out, but thanks for the reminded that they play Pitt in the regular season.
by djta on Nov 2, 2009 1:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LSU
I forgot that LSU would be the third SEC team so they don’t matter at all. ND will be in a battle with USC and Penn St (if all three teams win out). I guess the other of Boise/TCU could be in the mix, but I doubt it.
by djta on Nov 2, 2009 7:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Want to get into a BCS game?
Beat Pitt by 1, and blow the DOORS off everyone else we play. We’re always in the driver’s seat because we’re the ideal team to have. They’d much rather have us than Penn State, Boise, or TCU. I’m slowly getting worked up for the Navy game. It’ll show me what we have left in the tank for the rest of the season.
College football makes no sense, anyway, and all this guesswork to figure out who gets in and who doesn’t is ridiculous, imo. It’s not simply win and get in. You can’t barely beat the teams we play and get in. You have to dominate them. It’s opinion based, and opinions aren’t swayed by tight games agianst average teams, but big statement wins, whether that’s beating USC and Pitt by 1, or beating BC and Michigan by 21.
I wish we were in a conference so close wins would matter (because in the big ten, what matters in the end is win/loss, not type of win), but as it stands now, a close win hurts us if it affects us at all, unless it’s against a ranked opponent.
Fanaticism is not logical
by SunDolphin on Nov 2, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Figures...
The game I miss ND throttles a bad team. Oh well.
Desperately hoping for Desperate Measures
by averagegatsby on Nov 1, 2009 12:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I am the lunatic fringe
I have seen little this season to prove to me this team can compete against a legit BCS team. We’ve been barely beating teams on down years. BC is having a down year. Michigan and MSU are having down years. In fact, the entire Big Ten is down this year except for Iowa. I’m happy to have what we have, but I hope they don’t put us in a BCS bowl. This team won’t stand a chance against a runner up to the National Title. I’m not even sure I could watch if we played Alabama or Florida.
I don’t know why. I’m positive about all my other teams, even the 2-4 Dolphins, but with the Irish, once bit twice shy. I remember Weis’ first two seasons and that’s what I see building up.
My expectations are higher. I think everyone’s should be. If they’re not sky high, check your pulse.
I have a feeling if we beat Navy by at least 10 points I’m gonna be sky high again. Navy, year in and year out, tries harder to beat us than any team we have ever played. If we can overcome THAT, I’ll have reason to have faith.
Fanaticism is not logical
by SunDolphin on Nov 1, 2009 2:39 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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