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Everything Old Is New Again: Initial Thoughts on Notre Dame at Boston College

Many fans are already taking the time to highlight the second quarter play where Eric Olsen was driven thirty-five yards into the backfield and actually used to tackle James Aldridge, like the old stories where Lawrence Taylor would use opposing running backs trying to chip him as javelins in an attempt to take out the quarterback with style.  Fans do this because they accurately feel this is a pretty good representation of the line play the last two and a half seasons, but I'd point to a play a little later in the quarter to best understand what Notre Dame football is right now.

A first and ten draw play to Asaph Schwapp.

I'm not sure how that pops into anybody's mind as something we should try.  Of all the running backs on that Notre Dame sideline, Schwapp is somewhere around the fifth or sixth person you'd want taking that carry.  It's not that Schwapp did a poor job - getting positive yardage on a running play was a great success on Saturday night - but it just confirms that there's absolutely zero consistency to anything going on with the team.  One drive, the game plan involves getting the ball to Michael Floyd and Golden Tate as much as possible (for the record, these drives always work the best).  Other times, it's like the team doesn't have wide receivers.  Running backs switch every play to the point no one can establish a rhythm and I'm beginning to think Jimmy Clausen is stuck in a weird quarterback version of Face/Off where it isn't actually him back there, but instead Christian Ponder.

The worst part about last night was how much it was like 2007.  By halftime our apartment had lost any sense of hope and relied on the only ointment that helps to soothe these disastrous Irish losses the last few weeks, Graham Harrell to Mike Crabtree.  The team had less fight than it did last year in the Eagles game, where a much better Boston College team played a much worse (well, at least we thought it was coming into the game) Notre Dame team and had a significantly tougher time pulling out the victory, even with your 2008 NFL Rookie of the Year playing quarterback.  People want to blame Charlie Weis - and yes, everyone should certainly be blaming anyone roaming the sideline for that loss, especially Weis because seriously, what the hell was that - but at what point do the players take some responsibility for seeming not to care?  It's not every player, and it's not every play, but there seems to be a decided lack of fire, swagger, self-motivation or desire from a lot of the team.  Perhaps that is Weis' biggest flaw, a coach who really only knew the NFL used to professionals stepping out there and doing their job didn't realize twenty-year olds are a different beast.  I don't know what sort of pep talks other coaches give, but watching a dozen other games every week lead me to believe that other teams care a lot more than Notre Dame does, or at least they play like they do.

I was going to write last week that watching Notre Dame lose to Pitt followed by the Texas Tech upset of Texas was a telling contrast in being comfortable in your own skin and still having no consistency in Year Four of Weis.  Even though the most successful offenses of 2005, 2006 and 2008 all revolve around the spread no-huddle, Notre Dame is hesitant to do it for any sort of consistent period of time.  The fact of the matter is that for the second week in a row, the Irish defense played really well.  Against Pitt, they went four overtimes without giving up a touchdown after some struggles with containing McCoy in regulation.  Against Boston College, they gave up a whopping ten points, even with the offense and special teams continually gift-wrapping bonus possessions for Chris Crane.  As much as people like to point to size up front or a lack of big plays, this loss falls on the offense - just like Pitt, and just like Michigan State.  And the offense is still calling swing passes on third-and-long and fourth-and-short, and it's still rotating in running backs like a merry-go-round, just to make sure no one gets into any sort of groove, and it's still somehow gone from a lethal quarterbacking machine for three games in a row to one that's sputtering, at best.  The most frustrating part is, as bad as Notre Dame played, if there's no pick six and no fumbled punt to start the second half, that's a 3-0 game and the Irish have the ball at midfield.  In some ways, it's a lot more comforting to know you never have a chance.

A lot of people want to write off this season as another disappointing lesson learned and fire Weis sometime this afternoon  Last time I checked, there are still three games left (and then maybe a bowl game; who knows), and we should probably use them to fully evaluate everything about the program.  Two blowout wins over Navy and Syracuse followed by a dogfight with Southern Cal that goes into the last minutes of the game, then a convincing bowl win?  That's one thing.  Navy running their streak to two, the Orange pulling off the upset then the Trojans making one of their final cases for the mythical national championship game with a primetime skull-crushing?  That's a completely different beast.  There are three games left, and before we burn Dayne Crist's redshirt or start packing up Weis' office, let's just see how things are through the trip to Los Angeles.  Maybe wholesale changes need to be made in the offseason (if you put a gun to my head, I would be siding with Rob on this, but I'm trying to let everything settle), or maybe we just need to tweak a few position coaches and regroup for 2009.  There's no need to sign any pink slips just yet, as angry as many of you are now.

Pat over at BlueGraySky had a relatively short but sweet post last night I'll put up in full because it is that relevant:

The past few years that I have done the pre-season position previews, I've been valuing veteran players more and more, at times over more highly recruited rookies. Every year we get excited about the new shiny toys out on the field, but for the most part it is the guys that have been there before that keep getting the job done. Certainly there are exceptions, but in college football there isn't much of a better teacher than experience. You make a mistake, you learn, you improve and move forward. Wash, rinse, repeat. And this isn't a week by week process normally, but rather a season by season one.

And that brings me to this. Notre Dame has the following on the sidelines:

A defensive coordinator in his second year as a defensive coordinator.

A offensive coordinator in his first year as an offensive coordinator.

A head coach in only his fourth season as a head coach.

Putting aside every other issue for the moment (and there are plenty), Notre Dame should never ever again find itself in a position where the top three coaches for the football team have so little experience at their current position. Notre Dame football is not a place for on-the-job training, especially such widespread on-the-job training.

People can debate all of the other issues back and forth all they want, but I firmly believe that experience is invaluable and irreplaceable. It all starts there.

~

Also, a few comments on some of the general themes, or just insane suggestions, thrown out by Irish fans since the soul-sucking carnage of last night:

Fire Weis Right Now and Everything Will Be Better!: Do you remember how long it took to hire Weis?  This is going to be an offseason with openings at Clemson, Tennessee, Washington and perhaps Auburn and Penn State.  These are all programs with history and great resources that make them attractive targets for any prospective coaches.  You want to fire Weis, that's fine, but just be prepared for another Counting Crows-style Long December.  And while we're on the subject, do tell me, who exactly are those possible coaches that will be riding into the save the day?  Is Brian Kelly coming for sure, just like Urban Meyer was coming for sure?  Are you certain Kelly is the man for the job?  Although, who needs boring ol' Brian Kelly when. . . .

Bob Stoops and Jon Gruden are always interested!: No, they're not.  Stop it.

Burn Dayne Crist's Red Shirt!: Yes, throwing a freshman into the fire will solve all of our problems, because a month ago we weren't all saying Jimmy was ahead of Brady at this point in their sophomore seasons.  This option makes perfect sense, reeks of no short-sighted desperation and should be explored like Ferdinand fing Magellan.

If you've gone to Notre Dame the last fifteen years, you're taking this losing too lightly and don't understand tradition!: I'm pretty sure I understand the difference between winning and losing, thanks.  You're also probably the same tradition-obsessed asshole who made fun of Mike Leach and his signal-callers for the last half decade for being "too gimmicky" or "system quarterbacks" but now drool over him coming to Notre Dame.  Or you might still think that the only way to win is to try and emulate Frank Leahy, because that worked really well at the time and only makes sense to just try it again.  Just because I'm not trying to hang myself after a loss doesn't mean I don't "get" Notre Dame football or aren't a great fan; it just means I'm putting things into perspective and realize we haven't won a national championship in twenty goddamn years and haven't really been that close consistently for the last fifteen.

All this negative talk will hurt recruiting!: More than getting shut out on national television by a half-decent ACC tea,?  I love the internet, but let's not great crazy here.

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I know Rob and Matt also have strong feelings on this, so you may get those extended thoughts over the next few days, plus we'll parse the post-game press conference for some sort of reasoning for that debacle, maybe take the time to rewatch the game and start looking ahead to Navy this weekend (a game I was planning on attending, but who knows at this point; at least they'll be tailgating and Wire references). 

 

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experience and expectations and changes

While I have spent the day sulking over last nights game, now that the sun has gone down and the posts are starting to go up calling for Charlie’s head, I felt compelled to join the ranks of those commenting about where we are with this football team.

I use the “we” with a little bit of trepidation because I am not an alum of the university. But as the parent of a ND grad (now a post grad as well – who was a varsity athlete) I think that I can be considered part of the ND Nation, from an emotional level as well as a financial one.

In addition, as a former college player who experienced a mix bag of results I think I can provide some insight that I see from some posts, but not from those ready to turn the current situation into a flaming pire.

So here it goes -

First of all everyone needs to have a Natty Light and calm down. Yes, last night’s game might have been the worse that I have seen in my 6 years of following the Irish. But there are 3 games left in the season and let’s see how it all plays out before we make anyone walk the plank.

Second of all, like I tell my kids – life is about managing expectations and right now the collective total of the faithful, even after this soul sucking loss, continues to be at world record high level. CW is right in that we need to put this all in perspective. It has been 20 years since the last National Championship and we entered this year on a very suspect winning “streak”. So temper the anguish and nashing of teeth and take things for what they are.

We have a young team, that has improved at different levels and different times throughout the year. I for one had too high of expectations, and lingering doubts about last nights game going in. Granted I didn’t expect that the offense would make me want to vomit, but would you have felt any different this morning if BC had thrown up 30 on our defense and we would have lost like 30-17?

Can we be concerned, upset ,even significantly pissed off by last night game – absolutely. But let’s all use it as learning experience going into Navy – this includes players and coaches as well – more on that later.

Defensively we are making strides, although the real litmus test will come at season’s end at SC. In retrospect, can anyone really say that they didn’t see this type of game as a possibility? Without the ability to run the ball effectively all it was going to take was couple of poor throws / decisions to start the snowball rolling down hill.

So if we can keep it together on D, it is not unreasonable for us to think that corrections can be made to get the offense back on track. To me, the most telling thing about the state of the offense wasn’t the comment that Charlie made after the game about having to get more involved with the offense, but rather the comment he made during the week about the fact that he sets the formation and the Haywood then calls the play.

This is the real indictment of the experience level of the coaching staff. To my way of thinking Charlie really only has confidence in Haywood’s ability to deal with a limited numbers of plays (maybe I’mwrong but I think I could diagram the 10 or so basic plays this offense runs) so he is trying to scheme with formations to get the best personnel match ups. The basic thought is that let’s try to do a few things really well and try to confuse them with alignment, but when you become simple it doesn’t take much defensively to blow things up. If I can sit behind the band and pretty much call the plays based on formation, down and distance then I think teams like BC can as well.

Case in point – on the second interception where Clausen over threw Rudolph. As Todd Blackledge pointed out, the linebackers were getting big drops in cover 2 which forced a high throw. This shouldn’t really be a problem however. The play is designed for Rudolph to make a fake to the corner that should cause both the linebacker chasing and the safety to move that direction and clear a spot for the ball. If the ball is overthown, more times than not it is not a problem. But have we seen the TE corner route recently – not since Anthony Fasano that I can remember. Neither have any of our opponents so this result should not come as a surprise. In fact if you want go back and watch this play the other times we have run it this season and you will see that the safety never seems to bite on the fake and the few times it has been completed Jimmy has thown it in a very small window.

Enough analysis – but let’s hope that if Charlie gets back involved that we see some of what we saw in the first two years – not only new formations, say unbalanced line to get the run established, but also a return to some plays of old – for example bringing Shark in motion toward the formation and running him shallow across the middle. Think Mike Floyd.

Think Mike Floyd alot – why not swap him and Kumara and let him exploit the middle against cover 2?

These are the kind of changes that I expect – based on the head coach’s experience during the first two years when he was successful. If we see the same old stuff – especially since everyone is going to play 5 under and two deep until we can run it and throw in the middle – then expect more of the same results.

And that would be unfortunate because then there would be cause for changes – maybe not at the head coaching level, but definitely at the coordinator position.

Oh yea – let’s recruit more lineman and less running backs.

by rb17 on Nov 9, 2008 8:32 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’re right, it did look like last year. there are major problems everywhere! if he loses to navy and then has another 6 win season nxt yr, then do you think it’s ok to get rid of him? listen, if we have a s@#$y coach, the sooner the better. the fact that there are no guarantees that someone good will be hired is no answer to a bad one presently. stop assuming everything will improve. stop settling for mediocre! we’ve lost six in a row to BC! It’s embarrassing. and that team had zero offense so stop talking about the silver lining that our ‘improving’ defense stopped a bs offense bc it’s just like talking about how good our offense was against Ty. it’s just how bad we sucked against a good defense that’s shocking. and don’t come down on people as " tradition-obsessed asshole[s]." it’s not that the team hasn’t been close to a nat champ in the past 15 years, they’re just not relevant to the the college world outside nd fans for that long ok! those old schoolers at least have standards, which is more than i can say about you. otherwise, you’re settling for every other half ass program out there, and nd should mean more than that to football. it’s like if the dallas cowboys or the ny yankees or man united sucked for 20 years. those type of teams don’t just drink a freakin naty light and chill. i’m just disgusted

by qb2333 on Nov 10, 2008 1:48 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

My perspective

Going into this year i think my expectations were pretty realistic. I was just hoping to see improvement to build on for 09, and this team does look improved. The thing is that the offense and the defense have shown flashes but never at the same time.

On offense we have absolutely no run game. The lineman have improved in pass pro but just never seem to get any kind of push. Our RB`s look scared hitting the hole. Allen has his moments but his vision makes me sick. He could have so many big gains but never bounces it the right way. Aldridge and Hughes just look slow and never run with any power, even though they are both over 225. As far as Clausen goes, i still think this kid is going to be special. It`s obvious that throwing the ball is not his problem. He just does`t have it all upstairs yet. Theres hope as far as that goes because the main reason Charlie has recruited 2 5star QB`s is due to his ability to develop them in a pro style offense. That takes time. Our WR`s and TE are special athletes but very young, and cant be expected to be precision route runners right off the bat. Golden Tate is a converted RB and Floyd is a freshman. Not making excuses but how do people expect this offense to be potent with no running game and young skill players? Teams are able to play 2 or 3 deep because we have no running threat.

On defense i have a major bone to pick. Terrail Lambert is without a doubt the worst corner i have ever seen. Im not joking. He has given up so many big plays with garbage coverage and pitiful tackling. Why the coaches keep him in there is a mystery to me. Also our D line is softer than a pillow. Any team with any kind of running game has a field day against us. I have noticed that most of the time our D line plays Mo Richardson weighing in at a wopping 260, and Pat K who only weighs like 283. Just flat out undersized. BC had two 325 lb tackles in the middle.

I know its hard to be patient because ND has`t been relevant in 20 years, but i see light at the end of the tunnel. Say what you want about Charlie but he is raking in the talent as far as recruiting. On offense they have the ability to be explosive next year. That all depends on the line getting the running game going. We have Cierre Wood coming in who has vision and cutting ability as rare as ive seen. I dont care if we have 4 highly recruited RB`s already. They arent cutting it. I see a nice Wood/Gray combo in the near future. Bottom line is that i see this team shaping into something that could be special. Next year will tell all.

by SteelerDomination on Nov 11, 2008 2:57 AM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Next year will indeed tell a lot...

And with all the experience coming back, they should be good. But what about the year after, and after that? Sooner or later Charlie’s gotta learn to turn a program over.. not just building one up to be good every 3-4 years.

That said this team is vastly improved over last year, and hey- i just hope they can get into a bowl game that they can win this year- get off the schneid already … bring on the Emerald Bowls or Insight Bowls— they ain’t playin’ on New Year’s Day this year— so let’s get one that can be won for chrissake.

The Jayfiss Report ...one fan's rants

by NumberSeven on Nov 13, 2008 10:13 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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