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(Editor's note: Bumped from the FanPosts because I liked it a lot.  We aren't going to be offering Urban Meyer 15 million a year, but it's an interesting perspective.)

 

I'm a BC alum so naturally I follow Notre Dame since the Irish are the closest thing to a rival we have in football (It's a rivalry. Whether we admit it or not, we measure ourselves next to Notre Dame, and whether you admit it or not, losing to us drives you up the wall). I might be able to offer more of a detached perspective as to what the rest of the college football landscape might be thinking.

Originally I thought Notre Dame would be crazy to fire Weis. This had less to do with results than perception. Look it at from the perspective of an outsider. Willingham gets canned after three years. Weis goes to a BCS game in half of his tenure and still gets let go after four years. This seems like a situation where a guy is set up to fail, regardless of the obvious flaws the two coaches I mentioned may have. Throw in the program's mediocre performance in the past decade and a half under numerous coaches, and a hot coach might not think there are as many tools to succeed there as in another big job like Tennessee. It appears the academic standards were a sticking point in Urban Meyer's decision to go to Florida. The point is that Notre Dame is a tough sell to a guy with choices, and the fourth coaching change this decade (including O'Leary) would probably make it even more difficult to find a new guy.

My mind has changed with the utter lack of progress and development this team made. I thought your offense actually looked worse in this year's BC game than it did in last year's. It was certainly no better at the end of 2008 than at the end of 2007. It reminds me of my grade school basketball days. One of the parents coached the team. He was a brilliant X's and O's guy. He understood all of the intricacies of the Triangle Offense and the Princeton Offense. He tried to install both offenses, but sixth graders with little playing experience can't comprehend something so involved. It takes years of learning the basics before any of the nuiances of such complicated systems make sense. You can't expect a first grader to understand algebra without first gaining a grounding in basic math. It seems to me that a similar concept may be at play with Notre Dame. Weis is a brilliant X's and O's guy. He regularly outschemed his NFL counterparts. However, the talented youngsters he has now likely do not have the basic football understanding to fully grasp his system. This might explain why Weis was so successful with the veteran clubs he inheirited in his first two years. He did not have to teach as much. If this theory is correct, I don't think Weis is likely to improve, and it would probably be best to cut ties now. It could begin the rebuilding process and salvage something from the careers of his talented classes.

What should Notre Dame do then? The Irish are in a unique position. They have so many wealthy fans that their football boosters have an unprecedted significance in the school's operation. Purists may deride it, but I'm not here to argue morals. That is the way things are. If I was the athletic director, I would gather the power players together and ask for two things. The first would be for them to collect $15 million per year to get Urban Meyer. Ideally it wouldn't take that much, but there are enough interested Notre Dame backers that it probably would not be a problem. It could take an astronomical amount to win a bidding war with Florida, but Notre Dame has enough financial might to pay the price for anybody they want. The second thing I would do is tell the same power brokers to schedule a meeting with the president of the university. They would tell him that if he did not lower the academic standards for football players, the school would see a sharp decline in donations, but if they did, they would make sure there was enough after the football money to build a new library, science center, or whatever pet project for the school he might envision. You'll take a definite PR hit from the purists and media types for focusing so much on football, but the fact of the matter is that college football is a big time business where results matter. That's why being an upstanding man was not enough for Ty Willingham to hang onto his job. Notre Dame has a massive financial advantage over any other team in college football. It would be foolish not to use it.

Failing Meyer, Brian Kelly would definitely be a guy to look at. Like Meyer four years ago, he has an impressive resume. Whereever he has gone, he has won and won big.

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great writeup

I enjoyed it. The academic standards need to come down or we simply can’t compete for the big-time talent out there. Not enough kids care about the tradition of ND to have that be our go to pitch when the kid is on the fence. I’m in sales myself and not matter what the product you’re selling, you have to continue to improve your product and your value proposition.

I live in big 12 country and I assure you as you already probably know if a kid wants to play at a University here and he’s good, academic exceptions are made. It’s getting almost to be a joke to hear or see the kids each year that ND “can’t recruit” just because their SAT score doesn’t fit the standard.

I have seriously equated it to fighting with an arm tied behind ur back. Not only are the recruits we can pursue limited to strong academic performers, we also basically have to run the table as we are an independent football team. With no conference affiliation, the road to the BCS is tougher I believe.

We don’t have to become UThug and go after every kid from any background, but we need to loosen up a little. If we don’t right this ship soon we may never be able to recover from the depths that we have reached.

more thoughts?

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by kdog on Nov 30, 2008 8:30 PM EST reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is Recruiting Talent Really The Problem?

I hear two contradicting statements coming out of the Irish faithful: 1- Charlie Weis’ strong suit is that he’s a great recruiter and has had top 10 classes the last couple of years; and 2- ND can’t recruit because of tough academic standards. Well which is it? Seems to me like on-the-field product, not recruiting, has been the program’s downfall, but I know very little about the issue. How much more strict are ND’s academic standards? Who are they passing on because of this? Not sure if I’m buying this/ understanding it completely.

by The IC Lion on Dec 2, 2008 11:19 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

it is true

I wish I had more concrete evidence for u Lion but the ND academic standards for football are well known to be very close to Ivy league standards of acceptance. I do agree the on-field product has been porous compared to the talent we do have. That is a major problem of ours….. But no conference affiliation along with very high academic standards aren’t HELPING things at all.
And oh by the way, with the exception of this year are schedule is usually one of the toughest in the nation year in and year out.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by kdog on Dec 3, 2008 10:31 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So you have smart players. . .

Great for you. But less talented as the initial post suggests? It’s well known that ND has put more players into the NFL than any other school, and even to this day ND is one of the programs with the most active players in the NFL (33), on par with USC (35), UF (34), and Texas (36). Granted, all of these schools come in below UM, OSU, and the U, but NDs not hurting for talent. Hell, you are in the process of assembling a 4th straight top ten recruiting class!

In my opinion, NDs failure over the past two years has been between the lines and between the earholes (I’d argue that at ND there is more pressure to succeed than anywhere else). A good coach can fix this, and Charlie will have his shot in ’09, but I think the lack-of-upper-classman-talent argument runs dry for him come next Sept.

As far as scheduling is concerned, your BigTen rivals recent sucking made for a pretty easy schedule this year as you said, and I think 09 is shaping up to be just as easy. Everything’s in place for them to bounce back.

by The IC Lion on Dec 4, 2008 9:38 AM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

you make good points

I didn’t realize we were on par with usc in terms of nflers. 09 will be a huge year for ND and hopefully they can bounce back from this embarrassing season.

I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby

by kdog on Dec 5, 2008 12:33 PM EST to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

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