Should He Stay Or Should He Go Now?: Charlie Weis' Future at Notre Dame
To preface this, I have no inclination either way whether Charlie Weis will be coach of the Irish next season. In perhaps the most telling sign of how bad these last two seasons have been, I'm sort of numb to the whole decision, simply wanting it to be over with no matter what the result is. I believe there are pretty solid arguments to be made in both directions, even after the pathetic offensive effort in the Coliseum and a six-win season that many thought would at least tick up to seven, if not eight or nine.
There's a sour taste in everyone's mouth after last night, but here are the abridged versions of both sides of the argument.
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The Case For Keeping Charlie: Weis is an alum who gets Notre Dame and who has become considerably less prickly (despite random Chicago Trib columns stating otherwise) after the humbling experience of 3-9, a tireless recruiter who is about to bring in another top five or ten class to South Bend, barring .500 record-induced defections. This is his first head coaching job and it is clear there are plenty of things he needs to learn, as not all coaches "get it" right away, but he showed in 2005 and 2006 that he is far from a complete incompetent on the sidelines. The team bottomed out from a talent standpoint in 2007 and is utilizing a lot of young, inexperienced players who are learning on the job, just like their head coach. If given another season, a junior and senior-led class with a reserve of five star goodness behind them on the depth chart will click and begin to dominate like Irish fans hope they would. If the Irish keep Weis on, he's going to bring in another solid group of recruits and return a talented team to a winnable schedule in 2009. If there is not marked improvement next year, then Weis should either step down or be let go.
The Case For Firing Charlie: He's gone 9- 15 the last two seasons with questionable decisions along the way, including the retention of certain coaches and some quirky in-game strategy. The team plays sans any sort of fire or passion most of the time, and while halfway through 2008 it looked like a step in the right direction, Saturday's season finale blowout at Southern Cal looked more like the impotent offense of 2007 than the Brady Quinn-led juggernauts of 2005 and 2006. From the start of the season, Jimmy Clausen has gotten worse, the offensive line is less capable and the play-calling has become more vanilla. The team is without identity, and bringing in a new coach to mold and hone the troves of talent up and down the two-deep will result in championship contender over the next few years. It doesn't matter if you recruit five-star players if they play like walk-ons, and therefore his value as a recruiter is negated unless the coaching improves.
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Those are the arguments in a nutshell, abbreviated for the sake of brevity and the fact every Irish fan has heard both sides over and over and over again. Coming into the Southern Cal game, I was still strongly in support of Weis coming back, as were many of my friends. Part of this was due to the natural urge to go against the wailing hordes on the messageboards, the other part because this is a young team with an inexperienced staff all trying to learn together under one of the brightest lights in sports. But as I watched the game with family and friends, they would point out something from this Irish season - a loss, a decision, a specific play in the game - and I would have an excuse available for them immediately. Part of the reason is because I've seen every play Notre Dame has ran this season (up until the last few minutes of the Southern Cal game) and therefore have a little more insight than they do, but on the other hand, these are people that watch a lot of football, Irish and otherwise year-in and year-out, looking at this team with fresh eyes. At some point, shouldn't we just stop making excuses?
Last week I was reading a great post on FreeDarko about the evolution of the Knicks from competitive and fun to watch into full 2010 free agent pursuit mode. In a basketball post, on a basketball blog, this random line was dropped:
It allows Mike D'Antoni to be completely free of accountability. Screw up this year, and it's , "What did you expect? We're rebuilding." That type of Charlie Weis good-ole-boy-ing will lead to nothing but complacency and lowered expectations.
Is that why I'm so onboard with whatever decision Swarbrick makes and just wants it to be made? Notre Dame will never reach the levels of the halcyon past like so many across the messageboards think it will, and I totally understand that, but Jesus, shouldn't we at least look like a real football team week-in and week-out?
As I worked my way through this post, it appears I've talked myself into letting Weis go, but in my heart of hearts, I really don't want to do that. I want to see him succeed, and giving him another year to both learn and teach will only improve things. Probably. Or maybe all this team of highly talented players needs is a new voice to guide them to infinite glory.
I just want to get something up here to start the discussion. I'm not sold either way and would love a clear-cut case to be made to me in one direction or the other, just so I can get off this extremely uncomfortable fence. If you've got that ironclad plan for fixing the program, please put it out there for me.
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CW - look below
it is definitely not a “plan” but I put some thoughts under Rob’s most recent post that include both Meyer and Kelly.
To add to them what I would like to see (somewhat tongue in cheek) is this -
1) Swarbrick publically announces this week that Charlie will return in ‘09, but states that the expectation that anything less than 9 wins in the next 12 months (counting this years bowl game) is unexceptable. (and will lead to a change without saying so because it would cripply 2010-11 recruiting). I honestly don’t see that win total happening but feels like ND is giving Charlie a chance to get humble and perform. He has a big enough ego to take this challange. If he meets it then we are going the right direction. If not he can stand up like a man and admit that he just didn’t get it done.
2) Somehow start confidential discussions (think Tri-Lateral Commission, CIA dead drops, invisible ink, cryptography) with Meyer to become the heir apparent within a flexible time period that could be as early as 2010. If Mack Brown can identify his successor at this point for taking over why can’t we? ( I know, the pesky fact the Meyer is under contract to Florida raises ethical and moral issues that just are not a part of who ND is)
Seriously, the 2 main issues with Meyer right now are that I don’t see him leaving this year in the middle of a title run and with Tebow still there. Secondly you have got to believe that the key people at Florida aren’t sitting around waiting to see what we are going to do. Whispers of “contract extension” have to be in the Florida air.
If they win the National Championship while Tebow wins another Heisman ( and Meyer counsels him to leave for the NFL) then the games changes. But can we wait another 6 weeks to make a decision? Is potentially having a “dead man walking” in the “spirit of ND?”
At this point at minimum Swarbrick has to do #1 for me.
by rb17 on Nov 30, 2008 7:03 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like the plan
put serious pressure on weiss to perform or else, make it a objective goal like 9 wins and not a subjective how is the team performing or meshing…..
then again, if you had a multi-million dollar buyout waiting for you how hard would you really try not to get fired??
I think these big buyouts are a crutch that leads to under performance but that’s just me…………
I don't want to play golf. When I hit a ball, I want someone else to go chase it. ~Rogers Hornsby
by kdog on Nov 30, 2008 8:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to quibble about such an ancillary point,
but I don’t think a buy-out clause is a factor either way. Charlie stands to gain more money by staying employed for the full length of his contract. If money is a motivating factor, it would serve to motivate him to work harder.
by TCaptain on Dec 1, 2008 1:36 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never Reach Heights Again?
You write: “Notre Dame will never reach the levels of the halcyon past like so many across the messageboards think it will, and I totally understand that, but Jesus, shouldn’t we at least look like a real football team week-in and week-out?”
What do you mean by this? That we can’t win NCs? Certainly not, right? That we can’t succeed on the level of an USC? Why not? If we are able to put together enough talent and get the right coaching — whether that is Weis learning or someone else — why can’t we reach those levels. I’d be curious to hear you expand on this.
by the_irish_marauder on Nov 30, 2008 10:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I didn't understand that either
I’m sure there were USC fans saying the same things when they struggled under the Paul Hackett’s and Larry Smith’s in the mid 90’s. All it takes is the right coach. Or at least patience with a coach who can recruit. The only question is if the “powers that be” can be patient enough to see the thing through. I’m afraid that we can go one of 2 ways going forward.
1. a good development guy who struggles to recruit at ND. We can win 8-9 games per year with this guy but we aren’t really nationally relevent.
2. A master recruiter who has to learn on the job. The talent will be better and we might steal a NC along the way. But we also might win 6 games every now and again.
As fans which is more important to you? The high ceiling of a Weis-type guy, or the predictable results of a Dantonio/Brian Kelley type guy?
" Tell me something Steve, How does a guy from Puerto Rico loose a ball in the Sun? "
by aaronb on Dec 1, 2008 10:44 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh, I think Notre Dame can compete for national championships, just never reach the almost fantasy realm of “good ol’ days” some pine about. There are just too many teams with national exposure and the scholarship limits it won’t ever be the 1940’s again.
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by CW on Dec 1, 2008 8:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Seven day vigil
Swarbrick says he will meet with CW next Monday. This is about enough time to size up the national coaching opportunities. If a suitable successor is available next Monday, Charlie starts pulling unemployment, if not expect a number of assistants to be thrown on the fire. Gotta get at this before the music stops…
by valpodoc on Dec 1, 2008 3:10 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think I speak for the rest of the SEC when I say...
Please free us from Urban Meyer’s wrath!
Bathe the man in money and get him away!
by LSU Jonno on Dec 1, 2008 5:06 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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